Your data works out to a thirty dollar an hour median wage.  Something is rotten, and this is not Denmark.  Last year the median wage was only a bit over 25 an hour.

Who would want to make things look better than they really are?  Do we have any suspects?

Quote"Everyone will prosper. Every family will thrive. And every day will be filled with joy, and opportunity and hope."

The first step in selling this snake oil is to make everyone think they are being left behind, and the Trump machine now runs this asset:

https://www.bls.gov/  Nothing from official sources can be believed now.  Not that official sources were trustworthy before.  But now the situation is clarified.  The sheep will of course take the official word as god given.  Trump never liked the press.  Now he owns it.

A median wage of 30 an hour at this time if bullshit.  Next year if we have Argentinian inflation the median wage could be a lot higher.  So far we have not had enough inflation to justify the reality of such an increase.

Average is believable, but not median.  Somebody did a switcheroo.  Or there is cherry picking.  Serious cherry picking.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 05:46 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 19, 2025, 05:33 PMMy link, dated January 22-2025, in the first sentence, said $1192 a week. X 52 equalled $61,984. Did a miss a different more nuanced number deeper in the reference that had a lower number?

You can stick with it after you admit you switched in data for 2024 and the subject is 2023 data.  My 2023 data is still there.  2023 data. 

I didn't dispute your source at all. Or its number. I just provided an updated number is all. Looks like folks have been making more recently (2024) in the new high inflation world. Probably not a surprise, over all.

A better way of doing this might be like an inflation adjusted series, going back to "the good ol' days", of both median wages and costs of stuff, cars, houses, college. That would be the big eye opener, comparing today to "the good ol' days". If the point is excentuating how the salary/value/cost of living has changed, someone has done that and it is probably a great data series. 

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Mar 19, 2025, 05:00 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 19, 2025, 07:25 AMThe wife has given up. She has decided to tell the neighbors I collect classic cars in the hopes they are fooled, and just apologizes for the POS's in our driveway.

Nice project, nothing quite like a luxobarge and my 77 Chrysler will see the road again. Mitsubishi 4x4 pickup is now a high mile hero on 460k km and when it gets to half million I will put it aside but keep it registered.

I had an old boss, owner of the company, he drove one of those regular cab 2X4 Mitsubushi pickups until the body dissolved and he couldn't find little parts like alternators and stuff. Indestuctible. My mom bought a Dodge Colt (a renamed Mitsubushi) back in the 70's somewhere. She did the same thing with it, when done it sat in the backyard and rusted. After 5 years in the yard she sold it to a guy who wanted the motor and tranny, dropped it into a handbuilt oversized go-cart chassis and drove it for another decade like an off road dune buggy thing. Indestructible.

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenI said way back when I bought it the next new car i get will be Electric. Cant justify an EV conversion on a 69 Datsun coupe I have as primary transport, because of crash safety for family and no real cargo space.  BYD Seal with 580km range for about 45k look good

The wife is demanding a new electric once the anti-EV maga movement causes auto manufacturers to want to offload them for a song while they can. Friday the new Level 2 charger goes in, dedicated circuit of 220V and 50AMP wiring, probably can't get 12 kWh rates but current car can't take plus 6 anyway. Who cares, $0.03/kwh....let ICE owners allow liquid fuels to steal all their lunch money....

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 19, 2025, 05:33 PM

Quote from: RE on Mar 19, 2025, 09:10 AMMedian weekly income for wage earners in 2024 was between $1100-1300 for 2024 according to that report, depending if you were male or female.  So annually, it's more like $53K.

RE

My link, dated January 22-2025, in the first sentence, said $1192 a week. X 52 equalled $61,984. Did a miss a different more nuanced number deeper in the reference that had a lower number?

You can stick with it after you admit you switched in data for 2024 and the subject is 2023 data.  My 2023 data is still there.  2023 data. 

Quote from: RE on Mar 19, 2025, 09:10 AMMedian weekly income for wage earners in 2024 was between $1100-1300 for 2024 according to that report, depending if you were male or female.  So annually, it's more like $53K.

RE

My link, dated January 22-2025, in the first sentence, said $1192 a week. X 52 equalled $61,984. Did a miss a different more nuanced number deeper in the reference that had a lower number?

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 03:01 PM

QuoteHow much more does the market value a PhD in data analytics with 2 years experience versus a carpenter with 20?

Who gives two fucks what a PhD in data analytics with 2 years experience is worth? 

It is a thought experiment. In a world where someone can uphold the value of a working man, isn't it resonable to ask who MIGHT be such a creature? Level of education and lack of experience with lack of advanced education and decades of experience? 

I'm not sure I know the answer myself, but the MARKET certainly gives two fucks, even if you don't. It is just a curiouity to me, the entire "working man ethos" and whether or not it can apply to both of these folks?

Quote from: K-DogThat has nothing to do with anything here.  Nobody on the DOGE team has those qualifications, so what is your point?

Generally speaking, the DOGE goons looked to be technical oriented types, versus the standard run of the mill "working man".....unless of course a working man CAN be a PhD in data analytics with minor experience versus a more traditionally defined "working man", in the sense of Aaron Tippin's song.

Quote from: K-DogYou imply the DOGE team is earning it's money by claiming their bank robbery has socially necessary value?  What other point could you have.

I didn't use the word "DOGE". The topic simply generated a thought experiment as to what IS working man? I picked a specific NON-DOGE example, setting it up as just a high education level with minor experience, versus someone more a high school education but decades of tradecraft experience.

No DOGE involvement anywhere.

Quote from: K-DogFor someone who claims expertise in stochastics you should have known better.

I provided my reference to the median wages and I'll stick with it. Not sure the ability to link to current wage informtion on current median wages has anything to do with stochastic modeling though.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Mar 19, 2025, 04:23 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 03:01 PMYou imply the DOGE team is earning it's money by claiming their bank robbery has socially necessary value?

After Nixon's Watergate and Clinton's Monicagate, I might call Trump's scandal Elongate.

This is in a different class than cum on the carpet or breaking into a building.  This is treason.  Watergate did not cause social collapse, and Monicagate did not make millions unemployed, and then trigger a recession as the cherry topped whipped cream of a pie slice of shit.

Spinning what is going on now by comparing to with what Nixon or Clinton did makes it seem like what is going on now is of no great consequence.  This is something a propagandist might do deliberately, or an average guy might do until it is pointed out to them, and they see the error of their ways.

Do you really see destroying government agencies without authority, and placing millions of people on the unemployment line to be the same as a blow job in a sacred room.

Seriously?

Watergate and Monicagate caused nothing like this.


Mental illness is at work, no argument there!

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 19, 2025, 07:25 AMThe wife has given up. She has decided to tell the neighbors I collect classic cars in the hopes they are fooled, and just apologizes for the POS's in our driveway.

Nice project, nothing quite like a luxobarge and my 77 Chrysler will see the road again. Mitsubishi 4x4 pickup is now a high mile hero on 460k km and when it gets to half million I will put it aside but keep it registered. I said way back when I bought it the next new car i get will be Electric. Cant justify an EV conversion on a 69 Datsun coupe I have as primary transport, because of crash safety for family and no real cargo space.  BYD Seal with 580km range for about 45k look good

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 19, 2025, 03:01 PMYou imply the DOGE team is earning it's money by claiming their bank robbery has socially necessary value?

After Nixon's Watergate and Clinton's Monicagate, I might call Trump's scandal Elongate.

DOGE Department of Government Efficiency

NOT

https://www.doge.gov/ 

  An official website of the United States government it says on top of the page.

Not according to the Constitution of the United States, but what else is on the page?


The people voted for major reform.  <---  Is at the top of the page.  Click it and you are directed to 'X' on a blank page.  Jesus Fucking Christ, Musk's crimes are so many they can't be counted.  Direction to X from the DOGE page for information which claims to be a Federal Agency.

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DOGE is a criminal organization.The government agencies being dismantled are federal!

RICO applies across state lines,

DOGE's activities affect interstate commerce, RICO covers this.

Why do I have to be the one to point out the obvious.  RICO,  A criminal organization is subverting the laws of the United states to steal from the public purse.

What is it going take to put things right.  A national strike?  I think so.  That is what it will take to force the needed legal action!  This dumpster fire needs to have the dumpster lid clang down.

* I am a software engineer and an American Citizen, can I work for DOGE?   Would I pass their background check   LOL



The RICO statutes apply.  This is organized crime.