Although some politicians are stupid, that's not the main problem.  The reason they lie is because they always have an agenda  and they are mainly motivated by greed and power.

All scientific research is subject to interpretation, and often the same data can be used to draw disparate conclusions.  In climate science for instance, you'll have some scientists who conclude we'll have runaway global cooking due to the greenhouse effect, then others say we'll have an ice age due to the albedo effect.  You'll also have research funded to demonstrate a predetermined conclusion, which particularly in science dependent on statistical analysis can be manipulated through careful choice of sampling methods and groups.

So what can you trust?  Well, if there is a political issue at stake dependent on the conclusions, it's probably not too trustworthy.  Say  something like the safety of a nuclear reactor design.  The folks who want to build it will hire scientists who say it's safe.  Anti nuke greenies will hire scientists who say it's not.  Both will present data to justify their conclusions.  Who do you believe?

Chaos is another problem.  Sometimes very small changes can result in wildly different outcomes.  Economics suffers from this problem because there are so many things going on at once that depend on each other.  Complexity leads to its own set of problems with trusting scientific conclusions.

Taken all together, it's a crapshoot.

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Quote from: RE on Mar 21, 2025, 03:27 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 21, 2025, 03:21 PMI grant that misinformation is a tricky thing, but where does it end?

It doesn't.

How can you tell a politician is lying?  His mouth is moving.

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I don't care to dignify him with a response, he never acknowledges a point.  Digital data can't be trusted.  Either he is an idiot and easily fooled, or a new trip to the cooler might be appropriate.

As to the amount of money it takes to create a class traitor?  YMMV

Quote from: RE on Mar 21, 2025, 03:27 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 21, 2025, 03:21 PMI grant that misinformation is a tricky thing, but where does it end?

It doesn't.

Okay. Then by what mechanism does one use to maneuver veau around it?

Quote from: REHow can you tell a politician is lying?  His mouth is moving.
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Politicians are stupid by design. PhD Colin Campbell, esteemed globe trotting geologist, scientist and devotee to Hubbert, declared global peak oil in 1990...turns out...he thought it was true, but it was bullshit. So was it honest information when he made the claim and people who didn't know better bought it as real, or was it misinformation even at that moment because those who knew he was full of crap were the ones who were right?

Is honest information to the uninformed, was misinformation to those who knew more. Same information. Two claims. How does this example not endlessly repeat itself across the entire spectrum of information?

If Trump follows thru on this threat, there will be total anarchy.  Even just the threat should be making any sane person quake in their boots.

I'm wondering how Repugnant CONgres Critters will react to this?  Not to mention the MAGA faithful.  A LOT of them are on SS.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/21/social-securitys-lee-dudek-raises-concerns-following-judges-restraining-order.html

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Quote from: TDoS on Mar 21, 2025, 03:21 PMI grant that misinformation is a tricky thing, but where does it end?

It doesn't.

How can you tell a politician is lying?  His mouth is moving.

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Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 21, 2025, 05:17 AM

QuoteIs Rogan incredibly diplomatic and tactful, or just in awe of someone with even more money than himself?

Rogan crossed over to the other side.  On the other side money is everything.  It defines right and wrong and everything in between.

Is there an amount involved, money wise, when we cross over?

Like for example, any person with a net worth in the 7 figures or greater has crossed over? Seems like a reasonable number, once someone is worth $1,000,000 or more, probably can't trust them to tell you the time of day.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 20, 2025, 08:06 PMI went back and looked at the link.  I can't verify your date.

Huh.

Quote from: K-DogAnyway it does not matter.  The date can be faked.  We live in a digital age of misinformation where in the blink of an eye reality can be re-written.

Good thing I provided an unfaked US government document from a US government domain? 

Dunno....can't say I trust the government much either but really....when they say shit, they tend to publish it on their own domains, their logo's, gets picked up in the media, etc etc.

I grant that misinformation is a tricky thing, but where does it end?

Quote from: K-DogSo it would not matter if your date is there or not, which I could not find.  It proves nothing.

11th and 12 words on the document, not counting the seal.

Hey, I wear glasses, we're all geriatrics, I get it.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Mar 21, 2025, 02:48 AMIs Rogan incredibly diplomatic and tactful, or just in awe of someone with even more money than himself?  Maybe as a fellow european/white person was flattered by that. they forgot about: Abu Ghraib, The Crusades where the zealots died like flies, eventually succeeded on about the 5th attempt then ate Muslim children. Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Napalm, Normandy ,Verdun, The Somme, Aushwitz, transatlantic slave trade, King Leopold of Belgium and the Congo, Caloocon Philippines nothing left alive, entire Phillipine-American war, Aboriginal genocide in New World, Almost continuous war in Europe since history was first recorded there, Vikings, Roman Empire rule by terror. After converting to Christian, Europeans took their instructions from the Old Testament, do slaughter of Philistines come Palestinians is Gods will.

Don't forget the Spanish Inquisition!


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QuoteIs Rogan incredibly diplomatic and tactful, or just in awe of someone with even more money than himself?

Rogan crossed over to the other side.  On the other side money is everything.  It defines right and wrong and everything in between.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 20, 2025, 11:38 PM

 

I modified the video.

Is Rogan incredibly diplomatic and tactful, or just in awe of someone with even more money than himself?  Maybe as a fellow european/white person was flattered by that. they forgot about: Abu Ghraib, The Crusades where the zealots died like flies, eventually succeeded on about the 5th attempt then ate Muslim children. Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Napalm, Normandy ,Verdun, The Somme, Aushwitz, transatlantic slave trade, King Leopold of Belgium and the Congo, Caloocon Philippines nothing left alive, entire Phillipine-American war, Aboriginal genocide in New World, Almost continuous war in Europe since history was first recorded there, Vikings, Roman Empire rule by terror. After converting to Christian, Europeans took their instructions from the Old Testament, do slaughter of Philistines come Palestinians is Gods will.

Of course all humans have had this capacity for empathy since Neanderthal were wiped out by Homo Sapiens. Caliphate, Ghengis Khan and Aztec's get notable mentions, but you could fly a 747 through the hole in Elons transhumanist theory.