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The Catastrophe No One Talks About

Started by K-Dog, Jun 30, 2023, 12:39 PM

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Lack of species diversification leads to increased extinction.  A trophic cascade, a feedback.  It is not good news.  Global heating makes the human spawned extinction problem more intense.  Humans are the new Dodo.

And I agree with the presenter.  Capitalism fuels the rape of the planet.

   

K-Dog

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  The Permian Extinction.
Had man been alive at the time the Siberian traps erupted humans would have gone extinct.  Does human activity now rival the Siberian Traps in deadliness?  You decide.

If human activity puts the planet at an average of 35 degrees C, there will be large areas uninhabitable because wet bulb temperatures will become fatal.  According to this video, the average due to the ocean methane bomb feedbacks from the Siberian trap eruptions produced an average global temperature of 42 degrees.

So human activity will not rival the Siberian Trap Eruptions because humans will be gone before human activity can yield an average global temperature of 42 degrees.

Humans will not make the planet go Venus. If humans vanish there will be a great greening before the next ice age.  Then ten million years later squirrels will be in charge.

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Quote from: K-Dog on Aug 05, 2023, 01:27 PMHumans will not make the planet go Venus. If humans vanish there will be a great greening before the next ice age.  Then ten million years later squirrels will be in charge.

Mr. Wizard JMG predicted our successor species would be either Raccoons or Crows.  Not sure if I would like to be reincarnated as a smart Coon, but being a Crow would be cool.  Being able to fly under my own power would literally be a dream come true, since I have recurring dreams all the time where I can fly.  This at least is reasonably possible, unlike recurring dreams where I can walk thru walls and turn invisible, with Mutant X-Men type powers that totally violate all the laws of physics.  When I was a kid and went to the movies I could buy all that stuff;  now if Johnny Storm from the Fantastic Four goes FLAME ON! as the Human Torch, I can only think "Where is the fuel for this coming from?" and "How come his blood doesn't boil and his brain explode?".  Where does SHIELD find "Mag-Lev" turbines that can lift an entire nuclear powered aircraft carrier into the air?  What are these magnetic levitation devices repelling against?

Other real animals I would like to evolve more intelligence would be Gibbons in a Planet of the Apes scenario, since swinging through the trees via Brachiation would be the next best thing to flying, or maybe a Cheetah  since it would be fun to run really fast and do 0-60 faster than a Ferrari.  Being a Rabbit might be fun, since you could fuck more cute Bunnies than Hef did. lol.  If a water dwelling animal gets brainy, I'll hope for an Octopus, since 8 appendages would be handy.  I think I would be bored being a shark or whale since just swimming around would be tiresome.

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K-Dog

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Gibbons are sort of endangered and raccoons success seems tied to human success for the time being.

Humans may trigger the methane bomb if we have not done so already.  Life will be pushed to the margins as it has been before in the great dyings of the past if that happens. 

It is hard to imagine there won't be a mountainside somewhere where squirrels won't survive.  Life then again radiates across the globe from a small core of survivors as it has before.  Some squirrels leave the trees in a land free of predators and become something like a new buffalo and as large as the ones exterminated 150 or so years ago when the American government starved the Indians out.. 

Others squirrels might develop opposable thumbs and learn to make stone tools.  Others squirrels might become predators eating bushy tailed buffalo. 

In 10 - 20 million years life will be as diverse as it was before humans came along.

JMG is wrong.  For anything to descend from anything, there have to be niches that are not occupied.  Otherwise there won't be evolution to fill niches because they are occupied.

There must be a great dieoff to clear niches for anything to be in charge.  But if there is a great dieoff squirrels are more likely to survive than raccoons are.

QuoteNiche is a term that defines an organism's role within an ecosystem: its food, shelter, and its behavioral role.

It comes back to the methane bomb.  An 11 degrees rise in temperature won't let coons survive.


Not directly related, it involves dogs and raccoons.  The coons living in my back yard are doing fine.

QuoteA man can walk into hell with both eyes wide open.  But even the devil can't fool a dog.


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Guess subsistence fishing up here won't be too good for quite a while, which lowers the rating of Alaska as a Survivalist location to try and eke out a living once the food deliveries to the food superstores start to dry up.  Crabs also not doing well I think.


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