File this under the smartphone video is mightier than the tear gas and rubber bullet?😒

Somehow I have a feeling that UToob videos will not dissuade Il Duce Trumpolini from terrorizing every Demodope controlled sanctuary big shity.  More likely it has the opposite effect of his doubling down on the tactics, sending EVEN MOAR masked thugs and authorizing EVEN GREATER amounts of gratuitous violence.  Which as this article explicitly states may end up instigating the CIVIL WAR he obviously wants.  Face it: the Trumpenator racism is so virulent that merely deporting brown people won't satisfy him.  He won't be happy until there are mountains of brown meat packages being stuffed into body bags.👿

One can only hope enough Repugnant CONgress Critters will join with the Demodopes to get Impeachment rolling before the elections.  Probability of things staying peaceful long enough for them to even be held grows slimmer by the day.

https://www.theverge.com/policy/863632/minnesota-walz-trump-sousveillance-ice

Trump's War on America

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Garrison Gibson, a Liberian man, was arrested after agents used a battering ram to bust into his home last weekend. A federal judge ordered ICE to release Gibson on Thursday, which it did, only to arrest him again on Friday. He was then released again.

"I'm just scared to go outside. I'm scared of them," said Daisy Martinez, whose husband Tomas Martinez Gregorio was arrested on New Year's Eve in the suburb of Brooklyn Park. The couple had been pulled over by agents while driving their six-year-old son to the hospital for a tonsillectomy. While her son was in the backseat, multiple agents pinned her to the car and took Tomas. "It's almost as if he was kidnapped," she said.

Now Martinez said she's unsure every day what to tell her son – who has started to see a therapist to help him cope in the aftermath of what he's witnessed. "He does tell me that he doesn't want to go to school," Martinez said. "He doesn't want me to be taken away too."

How often does this have to occur before you can say democracy and civil rights are collapsing?  How many armed masked men roaming the streets disappearing brown people does it take?

At lunchtime, one of the only restaurants open on East Lake was an American diner. At least four Mexican restaurants in that block had been shut, indefinitely.

Approximately 80% of immigrant-run businesses in Minneapolis and St Paul had been closed this week amid the ICE crackdown, and sales at these businesses had plummeted since late December.

One has to wonder how hotels and restaurants in MPLS can continue to function.  Maids,  Dishwashers, Janitors etc in the hospitality biz are just about all immigrants.  What's the effect on the GDP & tax revenue?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/17/minneapolis-twin-cities-ice-dispatch

'Make no mistake, this is an occupation': ICE's deadly presence casts long shadow over Minneapolis

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Quote from: TDoS on Jan 17, 2026, 01:02 PMI understand that you have been a collapse enthusiast from way back. After waiting for it probably all of this century, your only response is really only "just wait".

Bear Stearns collapsed in March 2008, so not all of the new millenium. 17 years 10 months.

I'm not saying "just wait".  I am saying it's "in progress".  Picking up speed now also.

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QuoteI understand that you have been a collapse enthusiast from way back. After waiting for it probably all of this century, your only response is really only "just wait". We have been.

And collapse should adhere to your personal schedule why?

Collapse is inherent in the material conditions of our civilization.  The physics of these conditions determines how, and how fast collapse will play out.  It is certainly not subject to our whims.

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Quote from: K-Dogand yes the capital I is me

Interesting. And you confronted any of these people and asked who they were or why you were being followed, or the presumptive proof was the correlation between cell phone presence and these snappily dressed people showing up?

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Three Conversations.  There were cover stories.  I was given a web address to visit that downloaded a virus when I visited there.  The virus triggered security because it 'phoned home' when it was plugged into a computer behind a City of Seattle firewall.  Mrs. Dog had two people from IT at her desk within 5 minutes.  I gave the copy of the website to her for safekeeping asking her to take it to work.

At the time this was all very significant to me.  The passage of years has told me that none of this matters.

I went somewhere I was not supposed to go and learned things that 'Operational Security' did not want revealed.  As I was not subject to any security agreement the only way to silence me was to fuck with my head.

Quote from: RE on Jan 17, 2026, 01:32 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Jan 17, 2026, 01:02 PMI'll stick with my ice analogy.

Stick with whatever you like.  If you had been alive in Nero's time, you would have denied Rome was collapsing while the fires burned and the barbarians sacked the city.  "Cities burn all the time!  They're built from wood!  We'll rebuild!"

Burning Rome to the ground certainly was the collapse of Rome. It wasn't the collapse of the Roman Empire.

Guess what? No one has burned down a single US city, let alone enough of them to cause the effects listed in your definition of collapse.

I understand that you have been a collapse enthusiast from way back. After waiting for it probably all of this century, your only response is really only "just wait". We have been. For as long as you have argued at peakoil.com that your reason for going to Alaska was for how wonderful it would work out in the coming collapse. As I have said before, and you are pretty much a poster child for, our (you, me, Dog and maybe another reader or two) group is more likely to see a personal end than be knocked off by collapse, as per your definition.

Quote from: REIn the words of Little Donnie Dark: "There are none so blind as those who will not see."
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Indeed.

"There is a condition worse than blindness, and that is, seeing something that is not there." Thomas Hardy

QuoteAs far as immigration, I'll make you a bet. That when the next Democan gets back to being President, maybe the rules that the Orange one are inventing on the fly will be kept. Maybe with some small modifications to pretend to be nicer. But most will be kept.

This is not a matter of disagreeing with you, you may be right.

But, not all America is white and there is actually a remote possibility that legal structures could be set so guest workers can work in agriculture, landscaping, construction and then go home.  ICE instead of deporting would process people to make sure they are documented.

But that is wishful thinking because like a cat on a hot tin roof migration has long been part of the collapse lexicon.

CGRS.UCLAWSF.EDU • 2024-10-23

Root Causes of Migration

How Climate Change and Environmental Degradation Impact Honduran Asylum Seekers.






and yes the capital I is me

Quote from: TDoS on Jan 17, 2026, 01:02 PMI'll stick with my ice analogy.

Stick with whatever you like.  If you had been alive in Nero's time, you would have denied Rome was collapsing while the fires burned and the barbarians sacked the city.  "Cities burn all the time!  They're built from wood!  We'll rebuild!"

In the words of Little Donnie Dark: "There are none so blind as those who will not see."



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Quote from: K-Dog on Jan 17, 2026, 08:51 AMHere the author is interviewed.

When I was being gang stalked it stopped when I started leaving my phone at home.  Before that there was a man or woman in shiny black pants wearing a shirt bleached so white it hurt my eyes waiting for me wherever destination I was going to.

So this statement comes from the video and author, or is this a personal comment? The capitalization would appear to indicate personal experience?

Quote from: K-Dog on Jan 16, 2026, 07:48 PM

I am posting the MLPS clips on our server because the idea that once 'it gets on the internet' it is there forever is total bullshit.

Ok, I clicked on the video, and it played about 25 seconds and then stopped. An SUV, some guy walking around the back of it..and that is about where it stopped. Local technical issue, MIB, etc etc?

So....there was something beyond 25 seconds and it just didn't work because it is on your server?