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#1
War / US and Israel carrying out str...
Last post by RE - Mar 10, 2026, 11:38 PMQuote from: TDoS on Mar 10, 2026, 06:31 PMI'm willing to give it a few months before your definition of collapse shows up. Eat, drink and be merry because in a few months....want to make a bet on it happening?
As I recall I posted an AI generated definition which seemed reasonable. Here's another.
Societal collapse is rarely a single, sudden event; it is often described as a "death from a thousand cuts" involving the gradual erosion of a society's foundations
. Researchers in collapsology and history identify several recurring indicators that a society is losing its resilience and complexity.
1. Political and Institutional Decay
The breakdown of governance and public trust is a primary precursor to collapse:
Elite Overproduction: A surplus of highly educated or wealthy individuals competing for a limited number of elite positions, leading to intense infighting and factionalism.
Widespread Corruption: Institutionalized corruption and "extractive institutions" that prioritize the enrichment of a small elite over the needs of the general population.
Loss of Institutional Faith: A significant decline in public trust in government, religious, and legal institutions.
Increased Surveillance: Governments may respond to growing unrest by expanding police and surveillance powers to maintain control.
2. Economic Fragility
Economic indicators often signal a society's inability to maintain its own complexity:
Hyper-Inequality: Extreme wealth gaps where the vast majority of resources are held by a tiny fraction of the population, often leading to social friction and revolution.
Currency Devaluation and Inflation: Historical examples, such as Rome, saw governments devaluing currency to pay off unsustainable national debts, resulting in rampant inflation.
Diminishing Returns (EROI): Joseph Tainter and other scholars highlight falling Energy Return on Investment—when the energy (or resources) required to maintain a society's complexity begins to outweigh the benefits.
3. Social and Cultural Fragmentation
The "social glue" that holds a civilization together begins to dissolve:
Loss of Shared Values: The erosion or intense contesting of core cultural beliefs and ideologies that once provided unity.
Extreme Polarization: A divided populace where political or social groups are no longer able to find middle ground, often characterized by "scapegoating" and internal strife.
Decline in Innovation: A stagnation in intellectual and cultural pursuits, often accompanied by a "disinclination for abstract thinking".
4. Environmental and Demographic Stress
Physical limitations can act as "triggering mechanisms" for collapse:
Resource Depletion: Overexploitation of vital resources (e.g., deforestation, soil exhaustion) beyond sustainable levels.
Demographic "Busts": Sudden drops in population due to declining birth rates, disease outbreaks (pandemics), or mass migration.
Inability to Manage Crises: A "critical slowing down" where the society recovers more and more slowly from external shocks like droughts or natural disasters.
5. Historical "Perfect Storms"
Experts like Eric Cline note that while single stressors (like a drought or an invasion) may not cause collapse, a "system collapse" often occurs when three or four such catastrophes happen in quick succession, creating a domino effect from which the society cannot recover.
If you use this definition, collapse is already here. 6 months from now it still will be, just with a range of new problems arising from this poorly thought out piece of geopolitical buffoonery. I'm sure your ice maker will still work though.
RE
#2
War / US and Israel carrying out str...
Last post by TDoS - Mar 10, 2026, 06:31 PMQuote from: RE on Mar 10, 2026, 05:54 PMQuote from: TDoS on Mar 10, 2026, 04:04 PMRemember the last time it was the Doomsday for oil? 1979is still my favorite. The modern peak oilers didn't have nuttin compared to that global peak oil.
It's the same collapse. It just has ebbs and flows.
I am just going by the definition you provided earlier is all. These collapses are tricky things, especially with your good definition.
Quote from: RE'79 was an earlier stage with half the world current population and a lot more cheap oil still remaining. This round is likely to be a bit tougher. We'll know in a few months I think.
RE
By 1979 the President had gone on TV and announced that the world would run out of oil by the end of the 80's. The concept hadn't been discredited yet by the internet and hangers on without two neurons to rub together but an urge to collect clicks and likes and whatnot.
In hindsight it certainly seems like a silly collapse meme back then, but it was as real in the moment as the peakers who began playing eeny meeny miney mo with 1990 global peak.
I'm willing to give it a few months before your definition of collapse shows up. Eat, drink and be merry because in a few months....want to make a bet on it happening?
#3
War / US and Israel carrying out str...
Last post by RE - Mar 10, 2026, 05:54 PMQuote from: TDoS on Mar 10, 2026, 04:04 PMRemember the last time it was the Doomsday for oil? 1979is still my favorite. The modern peak oilers didn't have nuttin compared to that global peak oil.
It's the same collapse. It just has ebbs and flows. '79 was an earlier stage with half the world current population and a lot more cheap oil still remaining. This round is likely to be a bit tougher. We'll know in a few months I think.
RE
#4
War / US and Israel carrying out str...
Last post by K-Dog - Mar 10, 2026, 04:09 PM
Trump Might Want to End the War. Iran Won’t Do It on His Terms.
Iran says the U.S. and Israel underestimated its military capacity and will to fight, as Trump careens toward a quagmire.
Quote"I don't think they have any realistic endgame in their mind," he added. "I think they are aimless."
People thinking they are fulfilling a biblical prophesy are not big on endgames. They don't need no stinkin endgame.
Hell would have frozen over before I could have ever voted for this racist moron who can't read. I wish more of you could say the same. Now if you ever helped him your inattention to detail will mean millions will die. And that's on you. Did you think that we live in Disneyland so the limits of the universe do not apply in your magic kingdom of America. I think you do.
The tragic thing is I know you will do it again. You will vote for the same kind of fool.
And all the things that the big black book says are going to happen are not going to happen. Not a single one of them. Fairy tails written for other purposes thousands of years ago do not define reality. That black book is no reason to let madmen rhyme, but sadly 30% think poetry translated through multiple languages be magically real. Like it was the word of god or something. And for that people must die.
#5
War / US and Israel carrying out str...
Last post by TDoS - Mar 10, 2026, 04:04 PMQuote from: REDOOMSDAY 4 OIL!😁😁😁
RE
I remember the early 80's, and the bumper stickers on Texan's trucks, "Drive Faster, Freeze A Yankee".
"Doomsday For Oil Consumers" might be better...some drilling folks and oil and gas companies will be quite profitable I imagine. Things will get more expensive regardless of oil prices, as things are wont to do.
Remember the last time it was the Doomsday for oil? 1979is still my favorite. The modern peak oilers didn't have nuttin compared to that global peak oil.
#6
War / US and Israel carrying out str...
Last post by TDoS - Mar 10, 2026, 03:45 PMQuote from: RE on Mar 10, 2026, 09:30 AMLeave it to Trump to speed up collapse by orders of magnitude.
RE
Unless of course the usual happens. Many collapses are called...still waiting around for one to be chosen. <yawn>
#7
War / The grim choice facing the Tru...
Last post by RE - Mar 10, 2026, 09:30 AM
The grim choice facing the Trump administration: Economic or naval collapse?
The Trump administration is currently trapped between the specter of a global economic recession and a naval catastrophe. As the conflict with Iran intensifies, the world’s energy arteries are constricting to a point of “nonlinearity,” where every day the Strait of Hormuz remains closed doesn’t just double the economic pain — it multiplies it exponentially.
The thing is, even if Trumpolini declared "Victory" and sent home the grunts, the Straight won't be any safer. The only way to do that would be to put 100K boots on the ground and hold all the land along the coast. It's almost certain as soon as ships start moving through, at least 1 will get hit. If it's an LNG tanker, the explosion will be Hollywood spectacular.
With the Kuwaitis and Omanis now starting to shut in wells, the supply interuption will at least be months long. So much for Trumps quicky done. In 3 months, you'll have RREAL shortages in fertilizer right in time for growing season.
Leave it to Trump to speed up collapse by orders of magnitude.
RE
#8
Against War / Seattle Against War
Last post by K-Dog - Mar 09, 2026, 10:06 PM
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Death and destruction, because a madman's shame, and self-loathing. He masks it with a golden grandiosity, and no generosity. In this madman's world there are only winners and losers. Now to stay on top of the pile he has made for himself, he needs to drag the whole world down. By dragging America down Trump feels strong. That is what his binary delusion has done.
He must be stopped.
#9
War / US and Israel carrying out str...
Last post by K-Dog - Mar 09, 2026, 08:11 PM
UN rights experts condemn unlawful US-Israeli aggression against Iran
UN human rights experts denounced the unlawful act of aggression waged by the United States and Israel, saying the assault violates the UN Charter’s article on prohibition of the use of force.
Iran Condemns US-Israel Strike on Historical Site as ‘Clear War Crime’
The missile attack on the historical Arg Square complex in Tehran caused damage to Golestan Palace, one of the most enduring symbols of the Iranian capital and a UNESCO World Heritage site.
Ground Troops, Airstrikes, and Displacement: No Guarantee of Safety in Lebanon With Relentless Israeli Assaults
As Lebanon’s strained shelter system struggles to cope, Israel is focused on “collective punishment” and pitting the Lebanese government against Hezbollah.
#10
Crazy times / Black Swans and Cooked Goose
Last post by K-Dog - Mar 09, 2026, 06:47 PM
Stocks and Precious Metals Charts - Of Black Swans and Cooked Goose
Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that any one who embarks on that strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The Statesman who yields to war fever must realise that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.
Good reading.
QuotePsychopaths don't feel they have psychological or emotional problems, and they see no reason to change their behavior to conform with societal standards they do not agree with. Psychopaths see the rules and expectations of society as inconvenient and unreasonable impediments to their own behavioral expression. They make their own rules, both as children and as adults.
As of late it appears all news agencies are ordered to use A.I. generated portraits of our Fascist in Chief. Making his psychopathic ass even more inhuman. I notice this because I have been processing a lot of images for the Doomscroll. Trump does it because he is decaying before any eyes that can see. Extreme purification, his flesh even finds him disgusting. Anyway your eyes won't get to see his skin rashes. Trump can spend less time with his makeup artist covering his bruises. The common folk won't see him anymore. Not that they ever did.