Solutions => Resistance => Topic started by: K-Dog on Feb 06, 2024, 02:36 AM
Title: Revolution
Post by: K-Dog on Feb 06, 2024, 02:36 AM
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Title: The Strawberry Statement DejaVu all over again
Post by: RE on Apr 19, 2024, 12:07 AM
Back in 1968 before I got there in '74, Columbia University was the scene of one of the most famous of the college campus takeovers that went down in the 60s during the Vietnam era. They made a movie about it called the Strawberry Statement. The book was much better, but it wasn't too bad.
Fast foward half a century, the Radicals are back on the Quad in front of Butler Hall and Low Library, this time over the Israel-Palestine conflict. What's old is new again.
In the background on the left is Furnald Hall. It's a dorm, I lived there Junior/Senior year. Next to it is Columbia School of Business, which along with Harvard Biz and the Wharton School at U of P are the 3 top biz schools in the country where the Masters of the Universe are groomed.
Title: Columbia University in crisis
Post by: RE on Apr 19, 2024, 11:40 AM
"Columbia University's students have a proud history of protest and raising their voices," Mayor Eric Adams said during a news conference Thursday evening. "Students have a right to free speech, but do not have a right to violate university policies and disrupt learning on campus."
HTF can you have a protest if you can't gather together on a lawn? The only policy they volated as far as I can tell was setting up the tents. At least when I went there, you were allowed to go sit on the lawn between classes to study, smoke dope and pick up girls. 8)
How does holding signs up disrupt learning? That happens in classrooms inside the buildings, and unless they had a huge amplifier and loudspeaker system you couldn't have heard them even from the closest 2 buildings with classrooms, Most of the buildings on that side f the campus are dorms.
Far as administration at Columbia capitulating to da Goobermint, that's nothing new. They did in '68 also, and the cops went in with tear gas. This was pretty tame by comparison.
Title: - Revolution it is time
Post by: K-Dog on Apr 19, 2024, 01:57 PM
QuoteColumbia University president Minouche Shafik faced the House committee whose grilling led to the ouster of her Harvard University and University of Pennsylvania counterparts last year.
Panel members of the hearing focused on campus antisemitism and wanted to know how Shafik was protecting Jewish and pro-Israel students on campus with frequent pro-Palestinian protests.
And the pigs zip tying the students support this congressional scam without even getting a cut.
What would it mean in our world to get $5,736,701 ???
At a paltry 2% above inflation it yields $114,734.02
And that is prime rib every night. (https://wedgwoodbroiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/home-img-2.jpg) Even the low man on this totem pole could live good. A nice two bedroom rambler. Do nothing but scratch balls all day long, and still take the wife out for a good $90 steak dinner for two (including desert and tip) once or twice a week.
Just off the interest. Add steak dinners and vacations in Vegas two or times a years as appropriate if you can find a higher yield. Add Hawaii to the mix if you put it in a proper annuity that can't deplete before you die, and take more than the interest. Donations from Israel is all a guy would need to get by in our world so donations are enough to buy total loyalty if you get them.
Fortunately politicians are a superior life form and are immune from corruption. A politician would not be influenced by millions of dollars in campaign contributions like common people like you and I would be. A million dollars means nothing to politicians. Politicians work for the good of the people. ChatGPT told me so.
Top 20 Member Recipients of Money from Pro-Israel , 1990-2024
Member Amount
Biden Joe (D) $5,736,701
Menendez Robert (D-NJ) $2,500,005
Clinton Hillary (D-NY) $2,361,812
Kirk Mark (R-IL) $2,294,469
Lieberman Joe (D-CT) $1,999,274
McConnell Mitch (R-KY) $1,954,160
Schumer Charles E (D-NY) $1,725,324
Hoyer Steny H (D-MD) $1,662,194
Engel Eliot (D-NY) $1,618,904
McCain John (R-AZ) $1,494,066
Cruz Ted (R-TX) $1,432,806
Gottheimer Josh (D-NJ) $1,425,625
Berkley Shelley (D-NV) $1,409,433
Jeffries Hakeem (D-NY) $1,298,153
Wyden Ron (D-OR) $1,279,376
Levin Carl (D-MI) $1,245,913
Schneider Brad (D-IL) $1,219,634
Torres Ritchie (D-NY) $1,213,154
Cantor Eric (R-VA) $1,153,751
Perdue David (R-GA) $1,139,708
* One of these days I will post the pic of me while I was at the Trump Tower in Vegas. Two months ago. I was a very nice place and the price was good. Trump and I both appreciate fine woods and stone. I am into wood and stone. Gold looks nice, but so does polished copper. I don't have a gold fetish, but the gold plating on the aluminum frames around the windows and revolving doors of the entrance looks very nice.
** The hamburger in the Hotel Restaurant was very good. I give it four and a half paws.
*** The trip was self-financed.
Title: Unlike At Columbia, Yale Protesters Not Arrested
Post by: RE on Apr 21, 2024, 12:48 AM
It appears the Yale university administration did not want the negative publicity of having Yalies arrested for their anti-Israel protest and did not give the go ahead for ther security force and the New Haven Gestapo to go in and clear the occupation with arrests the way Columbia had the NYPD do it. They let the protesters hang out all night to continue the action.
Now if you remember 1968, the anti-Vietnam War protests spread across college campuses all over the country after Columbia, culminating of course in the massacre of 4 students by the National Guard at Kent State University in Ohio. So the question is, will this movement grow outside the elite universities of the Ivy League and spread to the state universities across the midwest and down south in Trumpland, or will it be short lived and squashed out before a simiar result can be achieved? It was the student protests that eventually forced the withdrawal from Vietnam by Nixon in the 70s.
The big difference of course is that we had the Draft in 68 and Amerikan boys were being shot and killed every night on the news, along with the college protests. Today, not only do we not have the draft, news coverage of overseas wars is highly controlled by the military and you don't have independent journalists wandering around with cameras and footage being shown on network news shows.
We do of course now have zillions more cameras out there, practically everyone has one on their cell phone. We also have the internet, s in theory there should be tons of footage coming out from these towns. But of course, it's all highly censored and controlled as to what can be posted on YT or tiktok etc, plus anything that does go up can be disinformation and fake, so you don't know what's real and what's not. As a result, people believe what they want to believe, and most people tend to accept Da Goobermint narrative they are sold.
Definitely more pressure is building against Israel though, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Title: - Revolution
Post by: K-Dog on Apr 21, 2024, 05:11 AM
QuoteThe big difference of course is that we had the Draft in 68 and Amerikan boys were being shot and killed every night on the news, along with the college protests.
made things a bit different. I was in the last group of 18 year olds that were given draft numbers, but nobody was called up in 73. Now we live in a different times and baby killing is fine. The reality that you might be the actual one who does the baby killing made for a cultural awareness that first person shooter has totally destroyed. And holy fuck. I just realized I am a voice of authority about this.
The Department of Defense funded or collaborated on over 800 films going back to 1911 and 900 TV projects were backed by the DOD between 2005 and 2017. Criteria is if a production will increase public awareness of the military leading to enlistment retention and a positive attitude to baby killing..
Funding and collaboration comes at a price. The DOD takes creative control. Movies, TV, and games. As propaganda delivery tools they are all the same. An uncritical attitude to the military is successfully cultivated.
The elevator music I must endure at work has given me a new perspective on musicians, and I regret all the time in my life I have ever spent trying to find deep meanings in lyrics. That is a different subject, but every time this come on I want to puke.
QuoteThe easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most peoples minds is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture, where they do not realize that they are being propagandized.
Our entire culture is built on exploitation. All American institutions and cultural models support violence under the right conditions.
The pragmatic policy from the point of view of power is to indulge young idealists and let them have their party. Nothing will come of their actions. Cultural conditioning to love baby killers is simply too great. Our doom is baked in the cake. The reaction at Columbia if accompanied by 100 similar actions would cultivate some outrage. Perhaps enough to 'move the needle' for a day. 100 Yale situations will mean nothing at all. 100 Yale type protests will essentially get no media coverage and Americans have better things to do.
Fun times to be had, and at the end of the day violence is normalized. And more white phosphorus will fall from the sky.
Title: - Revolution
Post by: RE on Apr 21, 2024, 07:39 AM
Quote from: K-Dog on Apr 21, 2024, 05:11 AMFunding and collaboration comes at a price. The DOD takes creative control. Movies, TV, and games. As propaganda delivery tools they are all the same. An uncritical attitude to the military is successfully cultivated.
The most recent completely BLATANT propaganda for the military coming out of Hollywood was the Avengers series of superheroes which was so over the top in terms of how it depicted the arms industry, the CIA and WMDs it boggles the mind.
Tony Stark, aka Iron Man is a Billionaire who inhserited his wealth from his dad, a WWII sientist who built up the fortune making more and better bombs, and Tony picks up and goes dad a few better, turning himself into a WMD. Early in the 1st movie he's giving a demonstration of his latest smart bombs and says:
"The best weapon isn't one you never have to use, it's one you use only once and your enemies are so terrified they'll never fuck with you again." This being an obvious reference and excuse for the nukes we dropped on Japanese civilians living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but since have not (yet) dropped another one.
Then there is Captain America, a comic bok character that actually originated during WWII, another living WMD who is the product of a German scientist who defected from the NAZI side after first creating the Red Skull, his WWII era nemesis. Then he gets a Cold War era nemesis, the Red Guardian, who steals ecret information for mind control being done by Amerikan scientists to then deliver to the Soviets who use it to create "Black Widoes", child and female Assassins, one of whom defects back to Amerika to become an Avenger.
They all work for SHIELD, a CIA style Black Ops agency that battles HYDRA, a stateless group of shadowy fascist Globalists who overthrow governments and want to rule the world. The local enemies are Terrorist mostly Muslims but also a significant number of Asians usually depicted as North Koreans since we are sorta friendly with China and they want to sell the movies in China too.
The big enemy though is Thanos, who wants to bring balance back to the universe by killing off half the population of every planet in the universe, which is called genocide but it's not really, since your objective in genocide is to get rid of everyone. Thanos also wants to do this cmpletely randomly, killing off equal percentages of rich and poor, races etc. Supposedly after he does this the planets become paradises again because they aren't so overpopulated, but Thanos obviously knows nothing about the exponential function and that even if successful the populations would double up again.
Anyhow, death and destruction are everywhere in these films, and the US military is potrayed heroically throughout, although they always need help from SHIELD and the Avengers because the rule book gets in their way and the Avengers don't pay attention to any rules.
I loved Superhero comics as a kid, which were slightly more anti-heroic in the 60s & 70s when I read them but not by much. Superman still fought for Truth, Justice and the Amerikan Way. Spiderman, while somewhat more conflicted and rebellious and considered a criminal by the NYPD and the newzpapers wasalso basically a hero who fought gangsters and other NYC type criminals like drug dealers.
Somehow however despite my addiction to reading them beginning at age 10 and collecting them right up until college, I never got sold on the violence and the military as being cool. I just loved the idea of having super powers like being able to walk through wall or read minds etc. Flying of course, who doesn't wish they could fly? Comicbooks don't have near the visceral impact of modern movies loaded with CGI explosions and space battles though.
Anyhow, there's no doubt that this stuff along with all the 1st person shooter games makes the recent generations more violence prone and accepting of the demonization of other countries and religions used to justify dropping death from above on towns and villages that have to be destroyed in order to save them.
And the Beat Goes On.
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Title: - Revolution
Post by: K-Dog on Apr 21, 2024, 10:54 AM
Superhero stories are loved by the military. The simple binary message of good vs bad is a great place to show off military hardware without any examination of the morality of using it at all.
QuoteSomehow however despite my addiction to reading them beginning at age 10 and collecting them right up until college, I never got sold on the violence and the military as being cool.
Yes, that is great for you. Personally I was horrified by some bible stories I heard when I was 12 years old. But most people are woven of different cloth. The human creature is social and imitating others gives them social approval and many have something built into them which prevents them from being critical. They accept whatever social program they are given without question. They have a feature others lack.
A man can be in his late sixties, he can lose his drivers license, and then be told he can't buy weed or liquor because he can't prove his age. The clerk says with a straight face. 'I don't make the rules'. If the rules say shit on someones life for no good reason the clerks of the world are there to do it. There is a race between most people to do the shitting.
He's five feet two and he's six feet four He fights with missiles and with spears He's all of 31 and he's only 17 He's been a soldier for a thousand years
. . .
He's the universal soldier and he really is to blame His orders come from far away no more They come from him, and you, and me and brothers can't you see this is not the way we put an end to war
Title: Columbia Radicals - They'rre Baaack!
Post by: RE on Apr 21, 2024, 09:15 PM
Not to be out-protested by the Yalies, the Columbia contingent of anti-Israel protesters have returned to the campus in force. Tents are back up, with protester vowing to stay "forever", which is a very long time and highly unlikely. However, according to the article, rumour is the university will tolerate their presence for a week.
This likely because it is Finals Week, and the NYPD dropping in with Tear Gas to disperse the protesters would disrupt the all important test taking. Once finals are over, many students will leave anyhow, so I suspect they are just waiting to see how many hang out going into the summer session.
One thing I find annoying is that being anti-Israeli is equated with being anti-semitic, though they are not one in the same. Antisemitism is a hatred of Jewish people and the religion, anti-Israel is a hatred of the Zionist political state. There are plenty of Jews who can't stand the Israeli goobermint. Those Jews do tend to stay quiet though, because they get called out as being traitors by those in favor of the Israel goobermint policy of getting ridof the Palestinians by any means necessary.
Still waiting for the Harvard preppies to drop in the competition for most radical Ivy League student body, so far the Cambridge crowd has been pretty quiet. Also so far nothing from 2nd tier schools like Duke or 3rd tier like Notre Dame to check in, as well as the state schools and CUNY, the City University of NY, which I would think was pretty full of lower class aspirants to become part of the great capitalist game.
It's a good start to what promises to be an entertaining summer of collapse newz. :o
There was a movie about this back in the days of the floppy disk.
An even earlier move suggested what ridin Biden would be like. (https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzvdpx1WY31qcay1ao1_500.gif)
Title: Dozens arrested at Yale and NYU as pro-Palestinian student protests spread
Post by: RE on Apr 23, 2024, 02:58 AM
Well, so far it's still growing. Yalies have now been arrested, there's acttion downtown at NYU, Harvard, MIT and Boston University have joinedthe East Coast party and UCLA and Berkely are representing the Left Cost radicals. Faculty has joined the students at Columbia and the rhetoric is whipping up.
So far, not much heard from Uncle Joe and Da Fed Goobermint yet, they're still leaving it to tthe school adminstratos and local Gestapo to control the protests. The critical change will be if/when these protests migrate from the "liberal elite" schools on the coasts to the state universities across the country. That's when the National Guard took over and you got Kent State and 4 dead in Oh-Hi-Oh back in '68.
So far, the threats of expulsion, arrests and some ass kicking by the Gestapo hasn't been enough to put a lid on it, and my sense is that it will grow, sort of like Occupy. I think there's been enough anger and frustration boiling up from before and after Covid that the Gen Z crowd is ready to take their turn at battling TPTB. We'll see.
Title: Are US campus protests against Israel’s war on Gaza going global?
Post by: RE on Apr 26, 2024, 06:03 PM
Goin' Global now! This will make Gestapo Crackdown in any individual country more difficult and make the whole movement more difficult to quell. It's starting to take on the level of the Occupy movement which went International. Of course, in the end Occupy didn't really accomplish all that much, but it didn't really have easily defineable goals like this. Divestiture of investment from any arms manufacturers or companies doing business with Israel is a very straightforward goal that would have a huge effect of the Israeli ability to prosecute the war. Of coursee, I'm sure the Smartest Guys in the Room could find a way to do back door financing, but it would still have an effect.
I mentioned I took perverse pleasure watching the decline :
QuoteI doubt that three-quarters of them actually give a flying fugazy about the Palestinians, and even fewer could find Gaza on a map if you water-boarded them. They affect to be intersectional victims of the universal oppressor, but in so far as many of the rioters are girls of the Ivy League, or comparable redoubts of privilege— little blue-eyed, blonde-haired muffins raised on pony club, Hermes, and artisan granola — there must be something else going on. That something else is probably sex, which is so problematical now in any traditional frame of a man getting it on with a woman that the American birth-rate is going to zero.
White phosphorus on civilians. Only the mentally impaired can be fine with this.
This having nothing to do with what could go on in a 'young muffins' brain. This Zionist mofo's brain is so full of hate he ruins himself.
I can't believe this xenophobic ageist misogynist. Over the top. I hope anger against the genocide in Gaza goes global. Yesterday would not be soon enough.
Title: - Revolution
Post by: RE on Apr 26, 2024, 07:24 PM
Quote from: K-Dog on Apr 26, 2024, 06:33 PMThis having nothing to do with what could go on in a 'young muffins' brain. This Zionist mofo's brain is so full of hate he ruins himself.
I can't believe this xenophobic ageist misogynist. Over the top. I hope anger against the genocide in Gaza goes global. Yesterday would not be soon enough.
What's wrong with going to a demonstration to get laid? ??? ??? ??? You meet more interesting people usually than your typical pickup bar. There's a built in conversation starter, you don't have to plod through the usual "What's your major?" "Are you on a sports team?" "What kind of music do you like" series of questions trying to find something in common to talk about before you get naked. Plus, with tents right there, you don't even have to go back to your dorm room to make the beast with 2 backs! ;D
This guy also clearly did not attend Columbia, otherwise he would know that Barnard is really short on blond muffins. They mostly go to Mt. Holyoke and Vassar. Barnard is packed with Asian and Indian muffins with black hair. Sadly also, they tend to be trying to hook up with each other rather than a protester of the opposite sex. Barnard requires applicants to have had at least one lesbian experience in order to be accepted. lol. OK, OK, my homophobia is showing again. I admit there are a few bisexual women at Barnard. lol.
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Title: Mass arrests, officers in riot gear: Pro-Palestinian protesters face police crac
Post by: RE on Apr 29, 2024, 01:13 AM
The good old days of the local cop walking the beat and helping little old ladies to cross the street when he's not rescuing cats that have climbed a tree and can't get back down are ovah! Now it's straight to the SWAT teams in full Riot Gear if 50 undergrads set up tents and serve coffee and doughnuts while they socialize and hand out leaflets calling for divestiture of investment in arms manufacturers. "Assymetric Response" is the new doctrine for dealing with any dissent in Amerika. Hit 'em hard and fast with overwhelming power and scare the living shit out of anyone who dares to question the party line.
If they had ignored the Columbia campers, by the end of the week they would have been getting ready for graduation and done with finals attending parties and smoking dope. Instead, they set off copycat protests all over the world, and they're cycling it up in a feedback loop that if somebody doesn't show some CFS will end up with 4 more dead in Oh-Hi-Oh.
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
Mass arrests, officers in riot gear: Pro-Palestinian protesters face police crackdowns
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Title: - Revolution
Post by: TDoS on Apr 29, 2024, 12:05 PM
Quote from: RE on Apr 29, 2024, 01:13 AMhttps://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/04/27/israel-hamas-war-campus-protests-arrests/73462872007/ Mass arrests, officers in riot gear: Pro-Palestinian protesters face police crackdowns RE
I wonder why I haven't seen this type of title elsewhere, perhaps reflecting a similar sentiment but with only a minor word change to reflect how others might feel?
Mass arrests, officers in riot gear: Pro-Hamas protesters face police crackdowns
Title: - Revolution
Post by: RE on Apr 30, 2024, 07:20 AM
Quote from: TDoS on Apr 29, 2024, 12:05 PMI wonder why I haven't seen this type of title elsewhere, perhaps reflecting a similar sentiment but with only a minor word change to reflect how others might feel?
Perhaps because none of the protesters hold up any signs reading that they are pro-Hamas or have any slogans or chants saying they are pro-Hamas? AFAIK no protest leaders have endorsed Hamas, although there may be some members of Hamas who have attended the demonstrations.
Do you see any signs supporting Hamas in this crowd?
Unless the news agency could get verifiable proof that the demonstrators were supporting Hamas, they would be wide open to a lawsuit. As it is, even saying the protests are anti-semitic is not accurate, though there are anti-semites attending some of them no doubt.
The goals of the protests are to end the occupation of Gaza by the Israeli military, to force divestment of companies doing business with Israel, and to have self-ruling Goobermint for the Palestinians. The goal of Hamas is destruction of the state of Israel, which again some protesters may support but isn't an express goal of the protests as it is of Hamas.
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Title: Pro-Palestinian protests disrupt colleges across the US
Post by: RE on Apr 30, 2024, 07:44 AM
The protests going into another week are still increasing in number and size, and they have ratcheted up from setting up tents outdoors to Occupying university buildings. Since few of the universities are likely to capitulate and do any significant divestiture of their portfolios, it's closing in on time for TPTB to send in the National Guard. It's hard to imagine they will allow this movement to go on as long as Occupy did. Since the Summer is just beginning, there's a solid 6 months left in the outdoor protest season, and since many students don't take summer classes they likely are looking forward to a fun summer making some headlines, smoking dope and hooking up while doing battle with the Gestapo.
I think you can also count on at this point action happening at the Summer Olympics, being held this year in Paris. Nobody loves street protesting more than the Frogs, who are experts at it and won't pass up a great opportunity like this one to burn some cop cars.
As predicted, 2024 is shaping up to be a banner year in Collapse.
Quote from: TDoS on Apr 29, 2024, 12:05 PMI wonder why I haven't seen this type of title elsewhere, perhaps reflecting a similar sentiment but with only a minor word change to reflect how others might feel?
Perhaps because none of the protesters hold up any signs reading that they are pro-Hamas or have any slogans or chants saying they are pro-Hamas?
Hamas folks are Palestinians. Leaders of Palestinians no less. So obviously support of Palestinians includes Hamas, no matter how unseemly that might be to those of delicate sensibilities. No different than support of Americans includes support of Americans who are MAGA, KKK members, white nationalists, black nationalists, neo-Nazi's American by birth, Doomers, etc etc.
Did you really not know that Hamas leaders are Palestinians?
Title: - Revolution
Post by: RE on May 02, 2024, 11:29 PM
All pro-Hamas are pro Palestine does not imply that all pro-Palestine are pro-Hamas. Do you not understand set theory? Hamas is a subset of Palestinians. The set of students who support Palestinians intersects with the set of pro-Palestinian people but not necessarily the set of pro Hamas. I would draw the circles, but most 4th graders grasp this logic. You must have missed it.
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Title: - Revolution
Post by: K-Dog on May 03, 2024, 12:40 AM
Quote from: RE on May 02, 2024, 11:29 PMAll pro-Hamas are pro Palestine does not imply that all pro-Palestine are pro-Hamas. Do you not understand set theory? Hamas is a subset of Palestinians. The set of students who support Palestinians intersects with the set of pro-Palestinian people but not necessarily the set of pro Hamas. I would draw the circles, but most 4th graders grasp this logic. You must have missed it.
RE
Fourth graders don't troll either! Nothing like a flaming non-sequitur to suck you in. It almost got me too. Bring out the Venn Diagarm.
Found it. We had it stashed next to the whips and chains in that big old-school steamer trunk I found at a garage sale a few years ago.
Title: - Revolution
Post by: RE on May 03, 2024, 01:03 AM
Quote from: K-Dog on May 03, 2024, 12:40 AMFourth graders don't troll either! Nothing like a flaming non-sequitur to suck you in. It almost got me too. Bring out the Venn Diagarm.
The same bad logic is being used calling the protests anti-semitic. All anti-semites are anti-Israeli, but not all anti-Israelis are anti-semites. In this case anti-semites are a subset of people who are anti-Israel. The protesters are all anti-Israeli government policy, but not necessarily anti-Jewish people. You could break it down further, because there's a subset of people who are anti Israeli policy whoo also are anti Israel and believe the state itself should be dismantled. That subset intersects with the pro-Hamas subset, which intersects with the set of people who think violence is aa good way to achieve this goal.
I could draw all the circles of all the groups and lay it out, but I don't teach 4th grade math anymore. lol.
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Title: - Revolution
Post by: TDoS on May 03, 2024, 08:39 AM
Do you not understand that reading things into what I write is setting up your own straw horse to beat?
Quote from: REHamas is a subset of Palestinians.
Same as the subsets in the group of "Americans", exactly as I already demonstrated I was quite well aware of. So my answer to your prior question is, "Did you not notice I have already proven I understand "set theory" just fine but you missed it in the rush to find the straw horse?
Quote from: REThe set of students who support Palestinians intersects with the set of pro-Palestinian people but not necessarily the set of pro Hamas. I would draw the circles, but most 4th graders grasp this logic. You must have missed it. RE
The best response you've got is a VENN diagram? Have you forgotten what they are and couldn't just say the word? Now I'm worried, CAN you draw circles or did you just use the word "circle" because you forgot what a Venn diagram is?
Title: - Revolution
Post by: TDoS on May 03, 2024, 08:45 AM
Quote from: K-Dog on May 03, 2024, 12:40 AMFourth graders don't troll either! Nothing like a flaming non-sequitur to suck you in. It almost got me too. Bring out the Venn Diagarm.
Now we're talking about someone with an education! EE's can be counted on to know Venn diagrams. And they work just as well for Americans as they would for Palestinians, as I pointed out.
Title: - Revolution
Post by: RE on May 03, 2024, 12:18 PM
Quote from: TdosNo different than support of Americans includes support of Americans who are MAGA, KKK members, white nationalists, black nationalists, neo-Nazi's American by birth, Doomers, etc etc
Support for America doesn't necessarily include MAGA, KKK etc. It doesn't even mean you support Demodopes or Repugnants. You can support America but not the Demodope party, or support it and not support Repugnants. In fact that's probably true of almost all members of those parties.
Because the set of all Americans includes sets of people with ideas you don't agree with doesn't mean supporting Amerika is supporting every idea of everyone in Amerika. That's patently impossible, since many people have mutually exclusive ideas.
You have a lot of problems with logic. That explains a lot.
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Title: - Revolution
Post by: TDoS on May 03, 2024, 08:15 PM
Really? So support of Americans isn't support of all Americans including MAGA folks and white nationalists and neo-Nazis and Libtards, etc etc?
Quote from: RE
Quote from: TdosNo different than support of Americans includes support of Americans who are MAGA, KKK members, white nationalists, black nationalists, neo-Nazi's American by birth, Doomers, etc etc
Support for America doesn't necessarily include MAGA, KKK etc.
Good thing I didn't say AMERICA then. I said AMERICANS. Was that an on purpose, or are you really sliding with age and lack of challenges around the home?
Quote from: REYou have a lot of problems with logic. That explains a lot. RE
And you don't know the difference between Americans and America. That explains it ALL. You feeling okay, or maybe are just tired or something?
Title: - Revolution
Post by: RE on May 03, 2024, 11:22 PM
Quote from: TDoS on May 03, 2024, 08:15 PMReally? So support of Americans isn't support of all Americans including MAGA folks and white nationalists and neo-Nazis and Libtards, etc etc?
Nope. It depends on context. With respect to Palestinians, the context is support of their desire for self-rule and an end to the occupation of Gaza. The protests have express goals they support:
1- Divestiture by the Universities of investment in Israeli companies and arms manufacturers who supply the Israelis
2- A cease fire by both sides
3- Removal of Israeli Occupying forces from Gaza.
4- The creation of a separate Palestinian state with its own territory and goobermint
Nowhere in there is support of Hamas mentioned or implied.
QuoteAnd you don't know the difference between Americans and America.
The difference is one refers to the political state, the other refers to the individuals who by virtue of citizenship are members of that state.
Palestinians have no state, Palestine currently just refers to a geographic area which includes Israel. So depending on context, "Palestinians" is used as a substitute for talking about nation-state level goals. In the context of the demonstrations, when a sign says "We support the Patestinians", it's a short way of saying "We support Palestinians in their desire for Goals 1-4 as stated in the letter we sent to the University administration."
Trying to conflate Hamas into it is just pandering to fears of terrorism, just as calling the protests anti-semitic conflates racism into the debate. A good newz agency tries to avoid doing that sort of thing, newz agencies which have an agenda to sway public opinion against the demonstrators add this stuff in on purpose. In fact what they do is turn the whole debate into an argument about terrorism and racism, rather than about political independence and military occupation.
This is obvious to Diners, who are used to seeing political spin and propaganda techniques used in the media, not so obvious to the population at large. It is no surprise you would write a headline to make this about Hamas rather than the actual goals stated by the demonstrators, since strawman arguments are a regular feature of trolling behavior. Just in this case for a change you applied it to politics instead of Peak Oil. Otherwise, it's just same shit, different day.
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Title: - Revolution
Post by: K-Dog on May 09, 2024, 01:51 AM
I'm sure if I study the 'Art of War' for a while I could find the strategy. But I can say it in my own words. How to pull America in deeper than it already fucking is.
Israel has taken Rafah, and.
QuoteRafah border crossing to be managed by private contractor: Haaretz
A new report by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz underscored a plot to take the Rafah border crossing away from Palestinian control in favor of giving it to a US security private contractor that would do "Israel's" bidding.
In an exclusive for Israeli newspaper Haaretz, "Israel" has made a plea to the US regarding the takeover of the Rafah border crossing (https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/rafah-invasion-won-t-bring-back-captives--time-for-ceasefire), saying it would be passed on to a Private Security Contracting Company (https://www.constellis.com/).
* That link goes to the web page of the American security company. Think before you click.
This was offered up after "Israel" committed to "restrict its operation in Rafah", which started on Monday, "aiming only to deny Hamas authority over the border crossing that connects Gaza with Egypt, and concentrating on the eastern side of the city."
According to Haaretz, the Israeli occupation government, in order to secure the deal, has been negotiating with "a private company in the US that specializes in assisting armies and governments around the world engaged in military conflicts. The company has operated in several African and Middle Eastern countries, guarding strategic sites like oil fields, airports, army bases, and sensitive border crossings. It employs veterans of elite US Army units."
Read more: Blackwater founder calls on US to colonize Africa, Latin America (https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/blackwater-founder-calls-on-us-to-colonize-africa--latin-ame)
Allegedly, Tel Aviv also pledged "not to damage the crossing's facilities to ensure its continuous operation," alleging that the "private American security company will assume management of the crossing after the IDF [Israeli occupation forces] concludes its operation."
In turn, State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller, earlier claimed he had no information about such a plot to assume control over the Rafah border crossing (https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/rafah-invasion-won-t-bring-back-captives--time-for-ceasefire).
In that regard, Haaretz also reported that Egyptian officials expressed opposition to an assault on Rafah because they were concerned that civilians might attempt to cross the border fence seeking shelter. Allegedly, they also warned that Hamas might try to breach the fence to assist Gazans in fleeing.
Source Link (https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/rafah-border-crossing-to-be-managed-by-private-contractor--h)
Title: Mercs in MENA
Post by: RE on May 09, 2024, 10:48 AM
Well, it's no surprise there are Mercs doing biz with Israel, that's nothing new. However, publicly ADVERTIZING that you want to use Mercs IS a new strategy. This story is not the result of great journalistic investigative reporting, it's obviously been leaked to this newzpaper on purpose.
Why do this? Well, first it allows them to circumvent needing any congressional approval to get active FSoA military personnel doing this job. 2nd it means the Israelis pick up the tab to pay for their salaries, so it doesn't take any FSoA taxpayer dollars. 3rd Mercs have much less oversight over how they go about doing their enforcement job. The only problems come when they get a little over-zealous and you get an incident where a whole bunch of women and children get in the way of the bullets they are using to do the enforcing with, which some pesky reporter manages to video with his Iphone.
Now, if the FSoA officially doesn't know they are using Mercs, they have Plausible Deniability, so that is the way this sort of thing would normally be done. The only worries the contractor has is if somebody at the Hague decides to prosecute the CEO for war crimes. Otherwise, they could give a shit about public opinion either here or in Israel.
Here however, by asking permission publicly, plausible deniability is lost, so if there is an ugly incident then it would blowback onto the pols who gave the OK for it. Thus I can't see any pol as giving the Thumbs Up on this unless he is getting an awfully big campaign contribution from the Israeli Goobermint. Under the table of course, since that wouldn't be legal.
If the Israelis do manage to get this plan approved, it gives them Plausible Deniability that they are trying to takeover these areas, they simply are trying to protect them from being sabotaged by terrorists once the IDF leaves the neighborhood. They also can claim they are not handling the border crossing security problem the Egyptians will have as Palestinians try to cross into Egypt. I doubt the Egyptians like this plan very much.
The Israelis have everything to gain and nothing to lose with this arrangement, but there is nothing for the FSoA to gain here other than money being paid to the Merc Company and money paid to politicians in the pocket of the Israeli Goobermint, of which there are many. There is no strategic value here, except perhaps keeping some oil company assets in the neighborhood from being sabotaged.
Will it be given the Thumbs Up? Depends how much money the Israelis sprinkle around in Washington. It's a risky thing to approve if there is an ugly incident following the implementation, which there probably would be eventually. But if the Envelope has enough Greenbacks in it, I'm sure the Israelis can find the right pockets to stuff it into.
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Title: The power of money.
Post by: K-Dog on May 10, 2024, 11:19 PM
Blatant hate. But money makes it all seem normal, and as right as rain.
The cunt who starts this video is bad enough, but she is an actual Israeli. The second guy is of no count because Americans ignore frog talk. But the third death worshiping Mofo. That third guy. The one with no legs. The mutherfucker from Florida.
Contributions in the last election cycle to this Florida congressman.
The American Israel Public Affairs Cmte: $12,100 total broken down as: From the PAC $7,100. From an individual within this PAC $5,000.
A common practice for this congressional worm. A large percentages of campaign contributions are laundered through individuals. Obscuring the actual source of the contribution, and making the money harder to follow. Making his money add up is also a challenge.
Having no legs at all the body needs less energy. Brian Mast with his reduced energy needs is adequately fueled by hate. He does not have to eat.
Somebody please tell Brian. I amplified the meaning of # 6 "thou shall not kill." Murder is more than killing someone, it means having an angry and unforgiving attitude towards them. My disciple Matt recorded my words. (Matthew 5:21 - 26). Brian should change his diet.
Give the boy some soy.
Title: Today’s political meltdown looks a lot like the 2008 financial crisis
Post by: RE on Jun 11, 2024, 10:15 PM
The author of this article makes an analogy between the political polarization of today with the financial crisis of 2008 which is at best very strained. Despite that, it is true that the political system does appear to be unstable and as close to lockup as the financial system was back then.
It's a far more complex problem though, because finance at its core is just about math, and in the end what Da Fed did was to just flood the system with enough excess money to stuff into leaky holes to keep the boats floating. N problems in the system were really solved and the last 15 years has seen much the same sort of chicanery except now with exponentially larger numbers. The same idea of Da Fed taking out a Bazooka and flooding funny money into the system isn't likely to fly, because bailouts would be an order of magnitude higher, $Trillions$ instead of 100s of $Billions$. The debt in USTs is already past credibility levels. So that system is likely to fail again anyhow.
What could you possibly use to fix a political system as broken as it is now in the FSoA? There aren't even any candidates from alternate parties to opt for. Everyone in the Dem or Rep party machines is a Geriatric. Thursday night, you can watch 2 Alzheimers gomers debate on policy issues they probably can't remember. I don't think I'll be able to stand listening to it more than 10 minutes before I puke. The newz media is worthless, there are no real journalists who ask hard questions, they just work as mouthpieces for one ideology or the other.
Whoever wins, the outcome will be a mess. Trump after pardoning himself will just go on a purge of Judges and ramp up hysteria for deportations. Uncle Joe will throw more money and weapons at Ukraine and Israel.Both will escalate the trade war with China. There's no exit strategy here anywhere.
Not looking good for election day, and the Conventions will be insane.
Today's political meltdown looks a lot like the 2008 financial crisis
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Title: - Revolution
Post by: K-Dog on Jun 12, 2024, 10:16 AM
What sort of article do you expect from a cultural insider? The 'system is in peril'.
What system is that? The one they like?
Any article that screams about democracy is not worth a read. This author screams about democracy but he belives in 'Shock and Awe*'. America does not have democracy. Any American who has had a website that does not concern itself with 'god' or stamp collecting with any political bent at all is under 24-7 surveillance. Things get taken down when the powers that be do not like what you say. Free speech. Forgettaboutit. It has happened here four times. Is that democracy?
I do not think so.
More insidious is the shadow banning phenomena in all it's many variations. A person can think they have an audience when they do not. As an example, there are so many surveillance bots watching this website that I could imagine we have an audience and that someone could find us on Google. If I did not know better. Democracy my ass. America is Fascism Lite. Like a beer. Same great oppression, but far less obvious. The main page has been 'cleaned' three times and the Diner has been 'cleaned' once since it started being hosted here.
Democracy actually has a definition and America ain't it.
Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution:
Quote"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government."
This explicitly mandates a republican form of governance. Congress is comprised of the House of Representatives and the Senate, both of which are elected by the people. (Article I). The president is elected indirectly through the electoral college to make sure the faux vote does not pick the wrong guy.
Who really votes? In America money votes, people don't. Advertisement buys votes sans serious debate, discussion or edification of any political position. An 'attack on democracy' does not mean shit. It is like TDOS showing up to claim Ugo Bardi said something on facepalm a few years ago which he half remembers, but damn? He can't find it when asked.
Find me some democracy please. I have looked high and low. I do not see any.
Money runs everything. People are complaining about democracy because the wealth gap grows and 'their money' does not have as much say as it used to have now that huge corporations and billionaires have bank accounts guaranteed by god big enough to buy any American politician they want to buy. So it seems. An article author who rants about democracy in America rants about sour grapes that they can't have because the idea that America has any democracy to lose in the first place is ludicrous.
This woman defines what American Democracy is. Kill your opponent. Dominate the other side. Reaching a consensus is for wimps. As long as I can remember it has not been different. But cultural insiders prefer a narrative that compares America to an ancient Greek utopia. It hides the reality of American imperialism. Which they like. They want to keep the evil side of things on the downlow.
*Harlan Kenneth Ullman, is Chairman of the Killowen Group that advises leaders of government and business; Chairman of CNIGuard Ltd and CNIGuard Inc, engaged in protection of critical infrastructure; Senior Advisor of the Atlantic Council in Washington, DC; and active on a number of private boards. Wikipedia
A soldier of the BAU.
Title: - Revolution
Post by: RE on Jun 12, 2024, 12:39 PM
The distinction and contrast made between the FSoA & NATO countries as having superior goobermint to Russia & China because the former are "democratic" while the latter are "autocratic" is ludicrous. All 3 goobermints are Plutocracies. In the FSoA the real power lies with the Billionaires & CEOs, in Russia with the Oligarchs who side with Putin and in China the elite top tier of the CCP.
The main difference is the FSoA President is merely a Puppet, while Putin and Xi actually have real power. Both of those goobermints function better than almost all the so-called "democracies" of NATO. I wouldn't say I agree with the direction of either China or Russia, but at least they have one. The polarization of Western goobermints is so thorough now they are almost in total lockup and ineffectual at resolving any problem at all. Pick any issue, and it's divided exactly in half and everything is Black or White with no shades of gray.
QuoteA soldier of the BAU.
Given the Think Tank he presides over, he's a bit more than a soldier. More of a modern day Kissinger as a strategist. I would liken the Killowen Group to the Tri-Lateral Commission.
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Title: - Revolution
Post by: TDoS on Jun 12, 2024, 01:09 PM
Quote from: K-Dog on Jun 12, 2024, 10:16 AMIt is like TDOS showing up to claim Ugo Bardi said something on facepalm a few years ago which he half remembers, but damn? He can't find it when asked.
I know more about it than you do. Because you weren't there. And compared to what you know about that conversation ( 0 ) I certainly know infinitely more (something divided by 0 is a number so big it has no meaning!).
I know more about that conversation than you do, because you know nothing. Making you as much an expert on a single conversation you weren't involved in as you are an expert on peak oil. Because an old oil man (not me) told you about rod lift systems one time.
I made this for you K-Dog, just to show how much YOU understand about peak oil (let alone my conversation with Ugo). HUBBERT GOT IT SO RIGHT!!!! AN OIL MAN IN OKLAHOMA TOLD ME SO ONCE!!!!
(https://i.imgur.com/V36X4ur.jpg)
Title: - Revolution
Post by: K-Dog on Jun 12, 2024, 03:55 PM
QuoteI made this for you K-Dog, just to show how much YOU understand about peak oil (let alone my conversation with Ugo).
A conversation now. It has gone from a Facepalm post to a conversation. Next it will be tea with sugar. The graph you published is essentially correct regarding liquid petroleum, so why do you waste your time proving Hubbert correct. I already know he is. And I also know your endless droning on about fracked oil being the same thing as liquid petroleum shows monumental ignorance. The economics is completely different. It is a different product despite the end result smelling the same.
As the supplicant to existing order and imperialist thought that you are, I do understand that you would see commodities as all being the same if they look, feel, and smell the same. Forgetting as all capitalists do about the labor materials and history it takes to bring something to market.
In Hubbert's time the technology to extract fracked oil did not exist. A huge infrastructure is needed to get fracked oil, and in the days of stick a pipe in the ground and it will gush that expertise did not exist despite what you say about dropping sticks of dynamite down drill pipes in 1880. Given the right social disruption that tech will vanish.
That is one idea you find here and nowhere else. The fragility of current arrangements is generally ignored.
Title: Julian Assange leaves UK after striking deal with US justice department
Post by: RE on Jun 25, 2024, 07:38 AM
Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, free at last.
Julian is out of the clink, heading for a hearing in Saipan where he will plead guilty to 1 count of conspiracy and then supposedly head home to Oz.
Will he actually get home, and will we hear from him again?