Politics => The FSOA => Topic started by: RE on May 17, 2024, 12:34 PM
Title: What American Fascism Would Look Like
Post by: RE on May 17, 2024, 12:34 PM
Haven't yet read any of the articles in this series yet, but I can answer the question with 1 word. UGLY.
Considering the improvements that have been made with surveillance technology, "let me see your papers" of the Nazi era would seem like freedom. I can forsee a law all citizens being required to wear a body cam 24/7, with AI monitoring thee real time audio & video streams for any "Un-Amerikan" activity. The Diner will go from shadow banning to disappeared.
Title: - What American Fascism Would Look Like
Post by: K-Dog on May 17, 2024, 03:51 PM
The New Republic contends we do not have Fascism now, but that Trump will bring it. I can't agree. We already have fascism. Our defense industry controls the state. Trump did not start that, and we have a double dip of genocide, war, and exploitation right now. All with Trump gone.
But if we are getting into sophomoric role play then if Trump gets to be Hitler I want to be Albert Speer. And if their are allegations of slavery in my factories I will see...
Title: - What American Fascism Would Look Like
Post by: RE on May 17, 2024, 07:14 PM
The MIC has been in charge since 1776. The extermination of the aboriginal occupants, non stop wars from 1812, gunboat opening of Japan by Perry, Roosevelt's Rough Riders, 2 World Wars, Vietnam, MENA. Militarism doesn't necessarily mean Fascism though. All the colonial powers were Monarchies, not Fascist states.
Fascism has only been a definable political system since the early 1900s. When did the USA become the FSoA in your opinion?
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Title: First They Came for Columbia
Post by: RE on Mar 15, 2025, 05:59 AM
Definitely getting risky to be pro-Palestinian and anti-ethnic cleansing. Protesting now makes you a terrorist. Don't stand in the way of Trump Casinos on the new Gaza Riviera! Ship the Palestinians to Somalia. Load them in Conex and sail them down the Gulf of Suez.
Will Harvard, Yale or Princeton students and faculty grow a pair and stand up in solidarity with Columbia? Where's the grandchildren of the SDS and the Weathermen? Not Fascism Lite anymore.
Title: - What American Fascism Would Look Like
Post by: K-Dog on Mar 15, 2025, 09:52 AM
The Department of Education opened investigations into dozens of universities Friday, part of President Donald Trump's campaign to pressure the higher education world to fall in line with his administration.
But of course Trump does not want the department of education and is shutting it down right?
No, he is turning it into the Gestapo. Trump hates education, education tells stories he does not lik. trump is big brother and he does not like the original lyrics and must change them to his own.
"Under the spreading chestnut tree, There we sit both you and me, Oh, how happy we will be, Under the spreading chestnut tree." it used to be. Now it is Rosebud time (https://youtu.be/O4mQqVqRB7I) for democracy.
"Under the spreading chestnut tree I sold you and you sold me— There lie they, and here lie we Under the spreading chestnut tree." And everything belongs to the upper class.
The Trump administration has delivered an ultimatum to Columbia University. Permanently end federal funding unless the university cedes control of an international studies department and implements sweeping changes to other campus policies.
The university must immediately place its Middle Eastern, South Asian, and African Studies Department under "academic receivership for a minimum of five years."
No explanation of what academic receivership is but I think we can figure it out.
The Mofo must be fired. Trump is out of control and deranged.
And the Sultan Of SpaceX has to be taken off the welfare dole.
Title: - What American Fascism Would Look Like
Post by: RE on Mar 15, 2025, 12:36 PM
Basically, the Trump-Musk Dynamic Duo is the White Supremacist Racist goobermint the "Christian" Right Wing fanatics wet dream fantasy come true. What I find remarkable is that despite all the "checks & balances" we were taught in HS Civics classes protected the Amerikan system of goobermint from being flipped into an authoritarian Dictatorship, it is being completely demolished without so much as a shot being fired. No military Coup d'Etat, just a non-stop machine gun spread of Executive Orders and POOF!, all the legal rights and Constitutional protections we were taught we had are history.
He's been so successful with this approach on the National level, I'm curious how the rest of the world will react when he moves on to rolling over International law and tries to forcibly relocate the Palestinians and Annex Greenland? Will all the rest of the countries out there just sit back and let it happen? He's just about guaranteed to do both these things, he's telegraphed it pretty clearly.
So yea, he needs to be fired, but unless there is a major shift in CONgress, they're not gonna do it. The only other hope would be a Military coup d'etat, or maybe an Asteroid crashing on the White House.
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Title: - What American Fascism Would Look Like
Post by: K-Dog on Mar 15, 2025, 02:51 PM
The first rule of fight club is you don't talk about fight club. The rampant abuse and broken laws would certainly justify vigilantism in a court. Though the argument might not prevail. Luigi has paved the way. Much blood is already on the hands of these psychopaths.
Good speech, but the rule is not explicitly stated.
Here is the rule.
Title: - What American Fascism Would Look Like
Post by: Goldernen Oxernen on Mar 15, 2025, 03:37 PM
Dead guys don't count. Bill Shatner is the only one of those three still taking in air.
He is also Canadian and worried about being deported. I'd say there is a physical resemblance too. (https://chasingthesquirrel.com/doomstead/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gannett-cdn.com%2F-mm-%2F0070323d1308d7ebfe55a2ad0f7804c45c0993a0%2Fc%3D2-0-598-448%26amp%3Br%3Dx408%26amp%3Bc%3D540x405%2Flocal%2F-%2Fmedia%2F2016%2F01%2F21%2FTallahassee%2FTallahassee%2F635889881148186655-IMG-5962.JPG&hash=c6775ba78760f1c0a13089a154578a8ab4d31f1b) Resemblance in height and weight. The nose is different. (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/PubTThou01.jpg)
* Nightmare at 20,000 Feet, October 11, 1963, William Shatner played Robert Wilson.
Title: - What American Fascism Would Look Like
Post by: K-Dog on Mar 16, 2025, 09:14 AM
Quote from: K-Dog on May 17, 2024, 03:51 PMThe New Republic contends we do not have Fascism now, but that Trump will bring it. I can't agree. We already have fascism. Our defense industry controls the state. Trump did not start that, and we have a double dip of genocide, war, and exploitation right now. All with Trump gone.
But if we are getting into sophomoric role play then if Trump gets to be Hitler I want to be Albert Speer. And if their are allegations of slavery in my factories I will see...
I have contemplated matching up our current actors to their historical counterparts. I was thinking Elon matches up with Albert Speer for a while, but perhaps this is a better match.
Title: Trump moves to close down Voice of America
Post by: RE on Mar 16, 2025, 12:39 PM
Cross off Freedom of the Press along with Right to Assembly and Birthright Citizenship. You have Free Speech as long as you support Trump though.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvge4l109r3o
Add deportations without Due Process and arrests and detention without criminal charges.
Time to go international! Land the Marines on the beaches of Greenland! Bomb Montreal back to the Stone Age! Make Amerika Great Again!
Trump moves to close down Voice of America
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvge4l109r3o
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Title: When the physicists need burner phones, that’s when you know America’s changed
Post by: RE on Mar 29, 2025, 07:01 PM
Definitely going to see a brain drain under the Trump-Musk Fascist Oligarchy. It will be interesting also to see what else bessides being anti-genocide gets you deported? Against abortion? Fossil fuels? Off to El Salvador!
When the physicists need burner phones, that's when you know America's changed
Title: The rise of end times fascism
Post by: RE on Apr 17, 2025, 07:47 PM
A long and somewhat repetitive analysis of the descent into fascism. The level of detail makes it a worthwhile read despite the fact it needs an editor to cut it by about 50%.
Title: Multiple people in custody after pro-Palestinian demonstration at Columbia Universit
Post by: RE on May 07, 2025, 06:19 PM
(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2025-05/250507-columbia-university-protest-arrest-ac-730p-193cd8.jpg) This guy just bought a free one way ticket to El Salvador
First real action since the Deportations began. One hopes for the sake of the protesters arrested they are 3 generation deep white kids. Preferably with squeaky clean doctor/lawyer/bizman dads. Otherwise the Trumpenator will drop them on the first plane to El Salvador, never to be heard from again. They're definitely challenging His Trumpness, so hopefully the organizers were able to recruit some White Bread protesters to staff the action. Even they are risking a minimum of expulsion.
IF they manage not to get deported, this should encourage more campus protests, which have been pretty well subdued by the fear & intimidation. Waiting for the blowback from the White House.
Hard not to notice that all the protesters arrested in this photograph are FEMALE. The story fails to mention this salient fact. Another story I read did mention it. I think the strategy being employed is that women are less likely to be deported. Also to demonstrate they are motivated by humanitarian reasons and don''t fit the typical profile of a terrorist in the mind of an Amerikan. Remains to be seen how his Trumpness deals with this.
Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students
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Harvard is the educational bastion of the upper class. Harvard is 'old' money. I searched for info on 'Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification', and the idea that Harvard is violating rules is ludicrous.
In the fall of empires the rich eat their own. In America there is a lot of old money for the Trump team to eat.
If I had a time machine I'd send Kristi Noem back about 500,000 years. Back to where she belongs. Send her back to when homo heidelbergensis cannibals hunted competing tribes for food with stone tools, wooden spears, and chipped flint scraping tools. Note the resemblance, she would fit in. Fucking dog killer.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fgcdn%2Fauthoring%2Fauthoring-images%2F2024%2F04%2F30%2FUSAT%2F73509918007-20230909-t-013221-z-782958407-rc-2-p-43-ajgb-8-r-rtrmadp-3-usatrump.JPG%3Fcrop%3D5499%2C3094%2Cx0%2Cy286%26width%3D3200%26height%3D1801%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=53f2da4ff04222aef5272ceba3a3d0bb02b776d103169a290c65782fb0378de6) Homo heidelbergensis wearing makeup.
She and Marjorie Taylor Green have the cave woman look.
Title: - What American Fascism Would Look Like
Post by: RE on May 23, 2025, 12:54 AM
Yup. The oldest money in the FSoA. Founded 140 years before the FSoA. Founded before the Dutch founded New Amsterdam, later to be renamed New York when the English took it over. Most SCOTUS justices by far, 22 to 11 from Yale.
The main question here is whether they are gonna stick to the legal system or fix things the old fashioned way?
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Title: Judge blocks Trump administration’s ban on Harvard accepting international students
Post by: RE on May 23, 2025, 01:03 PM
Well, Trumpolini is certainly keeping the lawyers bizzy. Nice to be able to get your lawsuit heard in Federal Court the next day. So now how will His Trumpness re-retaliate? Can we just skip all these steps and go straight to the Black Bag Squad? This bizzness is getting old.
Judge blocks Trump administration's ban on Harvard accepting international students
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Title: Trump deploys 2,000 additional National Guard troops to Los Angeles
Post by: RE on Jun 19, 2025, 05:55 AM
This is fabulously convenient logic. Define immigration as a National Security issue. Thus, anywhere there are immigrants, NS is threatened. The POTUS is responsible for protecting the NS with military force if he deems it necessary. Therefore, the POTUS can deploy the military anywhere there are immigrants, which is everywhere but concentrated in Blue state Big Shities. Thus the POTUS can deploy military troops to patrol all Big Shities. This is the precedent that Trumpolini is setting, and the SCOTUS probably will buy it.
I'll bet His Trumpness deploys a unit of Marines to protect every ICE detention center and dispatch office complete with the grunts carrying M-16s loaded with full metal jacket ammo to deter the graffiti artists. Pretty soon the FSoA will look like Chile under Pinochet.
Trump deploys 2,000 additional National Guard troops to Los Angeles
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Title: Trump waits for the organic false flag, the kind that leaves no trace
Post by: K-Dog on Jun 19, 2025, 10:24 AM
That is why he has them sleeping on floors, to push them over the edge. He only needs one to flip out if the camera angle is right.
Title: Florida building 'Alligator Alcatraz' migrant detention centre in Everglades
Post by: RE on Jun 24, 2025, 09:09 AM
Looks like FL is destined to be the Buchenwald of the FSoA. They don't even need Gas Chambers and Ovens. Just feed the immigrants to the alligators. Or alternatively, deport them to a war zone.
Together, this should pretty effectively shut down the inflow of refugees, since I doubt many want to risk ending up even worse off then they are in their home countries. Gonna be pretty hard to find dishwashers and lettuce pickers though.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0rvq1eg8w9o
Florida building 'Alligator Alcatraz' migrant detention centre in Everglades
Immigration and Customs Enforcement is using a new mobile phone app that can identify someone based on their fingerprints or face by simply pointing a smartphone camera at them. The underlying system used for the facial recognition component of the app is ordinarily used when people enter or exit the U.S. Now, that system is being used inside the U.S. by ICE to identify people in the field.
The news highlights the Trump administration's growing use of sophisticated technology for its mass deportation efforts and ICE's enforcement of its arrest quotas. The document also shows how biometric systems built for one reason can be repurposed for another, a constant fear and critique from civil liberties proponents of facial recognition tools.
"Face recognition technology is notoriously unreliable, frequently generating false matches and resulting in a number of known wrongful arrests across the country. Immigration agents relying on this technology to try to identify people on the street is a recipe for disaster.
Congress has never authorized DHS to use face recognition technology in this way, and the agency should shut this dangerous experiment down," Nathan Freed Wessler, deputy director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, told 404 Media in an email (https://www.404media.co/ice-is-using-a-new-facial-recognition-app-to-identify-people-leaked-emails-show/).
Title: Federal investigation finds Harvard violated civil rights law
Post by: RE on Jun 30, 2025, 05:33 PM
Big surprise. Of course the Fed investigators will find Harvard is antisemiitic, since it's the Fed that is making the accusation. Real impartiality here. Not. The whole concept is absurd, since probably 3/4s of the STEM professors who aren't Chinese are Jewish. As long as Israel continues to successfully define being anti-Israeli policy as automatically making you antisemitic this stupidity will continue. That canard has to be deconstructed and hammered on in every speech by everybody concerned with Palestinian genocide. The Isaeli state is the #1 Terrorist organization in the world, far more violent and deadly than Hamas. Their body count exceeds Hamas by at least 2 orders of magnitude.
Trumpolini is giving ICE a budget of $200B to set up one of these DEATH CAMPS in every state! Forget needing gas chambers and ovens, disease & malnutrition will do the job of killing the desaperecido, and they can dispose of the meat packages feeding the alligators in the swamp. Virtually no oversight and no medical care on site with access only by plane. The Trumpenator makes Hitler look like an amateur. Barely a ripple of outrage from the average Amerikan. Clearly we now know that morality is the leading edge of civilization collapse.
The Grand Opening of an American Concentration Camp
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Title: - What American Fascism Would Look Like
Post by: K-Dog on Jul 02, 2025, 03:43 PM
First Amendment advocates say they've never seen freedom of speech under attack the way it has been in Trump's second term.
Trump has threatened Democratic members of Congress with investigation for criticizing conservatives, pulled federal grants that include language it opposes, sanctioned law firms that represent Trump's political opponents and arrested the organizer of student protests that Trump criticized as "anti-Semitic, and anti-American.
And that is what we know about. What the Heritage Foundation is doing is far more than what we know about.
Your right to say something depends on what the administration thinks of it, and this is no free speech at all.
Who does it.
(https://duckduckgo.com/i/0d25ecc38e33c667.jpg)
Russell Vought (Director of the Office of Management and Budget) Oversees federal spending and agency budgets, including defunding programs deemed to engage in "anti-conservative censorship." Pushed to revoke federal advertising dollars from platforms like YouTube if they were accused of bias, leveraging the "Restoring Free Speech" executive order (Jan. 2025) to cut taxpayer funding for "censorship-enabling" entities.
Stephen Miller (Deputy Chief of Staff) Architect of hardline immigration and culture-war policies. Advocated for using the "Take It Down Act" (pending in Congress as of 2025) to pressure platforms to remove content critical of Trump, including under broad definitions of "non-consensual intimate imagery".
Pam Bondi (Attorney General) Led DOJ efforts to challenge tech platforms' moderation policies. Investigated YouTube under antitrust and Section 230 reform proposals, arguing its moderation constituted "anti-conservative editorial control" 69. Supported lawsuits against platforms for "censorship," mirroring Trump's 2021 lawsuits against Facebook and Google.
John Ratcliffe (CIA Director) Expanded surveillance and counter-misinformation programs. Pressured platforms to remove content labeled "foreign disinformation," which critics argued targeted left-leaning and anti-Trump voices disproportionately.
(https://duckduckgo.com/i/9670e0e565440697.jpg)
Kevin Roberts (Heritage Foundation President) Primary author of Project 2025, which called for reclassifying social media as "common carriers" to limit their moderation powers. Lobbied for Schedule F to replace federal tech regulators with Trump loyalists who would enforce stricter speech controls.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller
Title: Trump’s Budget Just Passed the Senate. Brace for a Massive Increase in ICE Raids.
Post by: RE on Jul 04, 2025, 05:18 AM
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement will have a budget for more officers than the FBI. The nation's immigration detention centers will have more funding than the federal Bureau of Prisons.
Remember also, the FSoA ALREADY incarcerates more people than Stalin did in Russia. It's already the biggest prison system the world has ever seen.
"It is hard for people to imagine what immigration enforcement is going to look like once all this money goes. It already looks really bad and scary, like we're turning into a police state and surveillance state. The orders of magnitude are going to be multiplied."
Not hard for me to imagine. Just think of the Gestapo in Casablanca in 1942, but worse.
Trump's Budget Just Passed the Senate. Brace for a Massive Increase in ICE Raids.
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Title: What American Fascism Would Look Like
Post by: K-Dog on Jul 04, 2025, 03:19 PM
I wish you were exaggerating. I know you are not.
How was an entire people groomed to serve one of the most evil regimes of modern history. What happened in those first few years. How did 'they' do it.
There is history on the subject.
"Volksgemeinschaft is a German term meaning "people's community" or "national community," which was popularized by the Nazi Party to promote a racially unified society where individual interests were subordinate to the collective interests of the nation. This concept aimed to eliminate social divisions and create a sense of unity among the German people, while excluding those deemed "undesirable" based on race or ideology."
The Quiet Revolution: How the Nazis Transformed German Society Before the Holocaust Began
When Adolf Hitler rose to power in 1933, Germany did not suddenly plunge into the horror we now associate with the Nazi regime. Instead, the transformation was slow, calculated, and disturbingly quiet. In those first few years, Hitler did not lead with antisemitic vitriol. Instead, he orchestrated a broad cultural and political realignment under the guise of restoring national pride, economic order, and unity. This calculated restraint helped normalize Nazi ideology, paving the way for later atrocities.
At the heart of this effort was the concept of Volksgemeinschaft — a word meaning "people's community." On the surface, it evoked images of unity, equality, and shared purpose. In a nation wounded by the Treaty of Versailles, economic depression, and political chaos, it was a seductive promise. But the term had a darker intent: to construct a society defined not just by unity, but by exclusion — to separate the so-called "true Germans" from those deemed racially or ideologically impure.
Yet contrary to Nazi propaganda, the average German in 1933 did not harbor violent antisemitic sentiments. Jews were neighbors, shopkeepers, veterans of World War I. Many Germans saw no reason to turn against them. Hitler, ever the tactician, quickly realized this and temporarily downplayed his rhetoric against Jews. Public references to antisemitism faded. The focus shifted instead to economic recovery, infrastructure projects like the Autobahn, and job creation — all designed to win trust and gratitude.
This period was critical. With the Jews out of the immediate spotlight, the Nazis began social engineering from the inside out: reorganizing education, rewriting textbooks, infiltrating youth organizations, and purging civil institutions of dissent. People were rewarded for conformity, and encouraged to report neighbors who spoke against the regime. It wasn't hatred that took root — it was obedience.
This subtle reshaping of moral and social norms set the stage for what would later come. After the population had internalized the logic of obedience to the state, exclusion of the "other", and sacrifice of individual will for national unity, it was easy to activate hatred. A few zealots could be counted on to lead the charge. Break shop windows, burn synagogues, and assault Jewish citizens. Once that spell of normalcy was broken, bystanders followed. Once socially conditioned, they felt nothing wrong with believing and doing what they were told.
By the time the Nazis resumed their antisemitic campaign in 1935 with the Nuremberg Laws, their moral groundwork had been laid. The German people had been reshaped into passive participants for a regime that demanded loyalty above conscience. Obedience for the public good. Morals carefully designed to manipulate a population.
The first quiet years, are essential to understanding the Nazi rise. It wasn't rage that made the rise possible. It was manipulation, gradualism, and a deliberate erosion of independent thought. The chilling lesson is that they succeeded.
Denying that America is going Fascist is academic. The signs are there.
We do not have armed gangs roaming the streets, instead we have substitutes that the Austrian painter/bully who sketched the design for the 'Peoples Car' could not afford. Fascists make promises. Then when they can't deliver, they blame somebody else. Done artfully the public then follows their leader into doom.
Who will be the next scapegoat? How artfully will it be done?
This one is from the Holocaust Museum. Not quite as detailed, it covers more ground than the other. A view from a higher altitude.
Title: No time, no lawyer, no rights: ICE memo sparks panic over third-country deportations
Post by: RE on Jul 14, 2025, 05:23 PM
Basically, combined with the huge budget being dedicated to hiring new Gestapo to staff the ICE legion of masked thugs, absolutely anyone can be desaperecido on a whim, with virtually no recourse. Not just by order from Trumpolini or by mistake, but by any ICE agent with a grudge or desire to get rid of somebody. Say he has the hots for your wife. He and his team can drop in at your job, whisk you to the airport and before the day is out you're standing on the side of the road in cartel country in Mexico or a war zone in Sudan.
Drop a comment on Instagram criticizing Israel or a joke about his his mental acuity goes viral, 12 hours later you're in Nigeria with no passport and an empty wallet.
Trump makes Stalin and ICE makes the KGB look like amateurs.