Is it reasonable to assume that an American communist party is capable of creating a better economic environment for its citizens than the USSR was able to achieve for its citizens? I realize this is the natural claim of any form of political replacement theory for the two party oligarchy based system the US seems to have, but any tearing down (the easy part) needs just as solid a "building up" part to be taken seriously.
The complaints in the quote are completely reasonable from anyones perspective who thinks they have been left out of the "American dream". Depending on what any one of us Americans thinks that dream might be of course, compared to the alternative system offered (as opposed to just the complaint of the present one).
Quote from: TDoS on Aug 16, 2024, 09:31 PMIs it reasonable to assume that an American communist party is capable of creating a better economic environment for its citizens than the USSR was able to achieve for its citizens? I realize this is the natural claim of any form of political replacement theory for the two party oligarchy based system the US seems to have, but any tearing down (the easy part) needs just as solid a "building up" part to be taken seriously.
Yes, the first part of what Kyle says addresses this. The Marxist-Leninist tradition has to be interpreted with regards to modern American circumstances. A fair wage, health care and such. These things are #1 communist party goals. The first word in the partys' name is 'American'. Communism with American characteristics. The party is strongly rooted in theory and determined to put the people in power who will represent the American working class.
QuoteThe complaints in the quote are completely reasonable from anyones' perspective who thinks they have been left out of the "American dream". Depending on what any one of us Americans thinks that dream might be of course, compared to the alternative system offered (as opposed to just the complaint of the present one).
Kyle Pettis of the American Communist Party. Kyle is on the Plenary Committee
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31 minutes in patriotism is discussed. Oligarchs are not patriotic.
Quote from: K-Dog on Aug 16, 2024, 11:09 PMQuote from: TDoS on Aug 16, 2024, 09:31 PMIs it reasonable to assume that an American communist party is capable of creating a better economic environment for its citizens than the USSR was able to achieve for its citizens? I realize this is the natural claim of any form of political replacement theory for the two party oligarchy based system the US seems to have, but any tearing down (the easy part) needs just as solid a "building up" part to be taken seriously.
Yes, the first part of what Kyle says addresses this. The Marxist-Leninist tradition has to be interpreted with regards to modern American circumstances. A fair wage, health care and such. These things are #1 communist party goals. The first word in the partys' name is 'American'. Communism with American characteristics. The party is strongly rooted in theory and determined to put the people in power who will represent the American working class.
Hopes, dreams, aspirations, claims of wonderfulness, these aren't a plan. They are sales points, just as capitalism has.
So....does he explain HOW they are going to bring about Communism without it being the living conditions and political and financial extremes and rules for some but not party officials of the USSR or the ChiComs?
Everything discussed around the 31 minute mark bashing the oligarches and whatnot is no different than what the Communists did...some are above the law, collect all the money on the backs of the working folks.
Quote from: TDoS on Aug 16, 2024, 09:31 PMEverything discussed around the 31 minute mark bashing the oligarches and whatnot is no different than what the Communists did...some are above the law, collect all the money on the backs of the working folks.
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What does it mean to be a communist. It means the working people taking collective responsibility for their country. This is in line with the Declaration of Independence. In line with the ideological premise that the United States is based on. This is fundamentally the guiding ethos of the American people. If you call yourself a patriot and you aren't a communist well then I don't really think you're that much of a patriot. You have fallen into what Michael Parenti calls super-patriotism or something maybe even darker and deeper. Do you not believe in the American people enough to say that we are the ones who should be running everything. Why do we need an oligarchical click telling us what to do. We don't. If you look at these oligarchs. Sean O'Brien touched on this in the teamsters speech at the RNC. The oligarchs of this country the ruling class, they don't have any form of national pride. They don't care about the nation. They care about lining their pocketbook. Most of these people are in bed with foreign governments trying to undermine our sovereignty as a nation, as a people. They don't care if their wealth is measured in dollars or or Euros or or what have you They care only that the number continues to rise in their bank accounts. They care not for the suffering of the American people or the stripping away of their national sovereignty or or their individual rights. How you can ascribe to a political system that that is at the heart of this and call yourself a patriot is truly beyond me.
Your claim is that communists are no better is not relevant. This is not about ancient history in a foreign land. This is about America and not about a garbled tale you obsess with concerning a time and place far away, of which you know nothing about.
QuoteWhat does it mean to be a communist. It means the working people taking collective responsibility for their country.
That is what Kyle is talking about. What communist do you think he is talking about?
This video is about America. Tune in, your head is somewhere else.
Concerning the how, the answers are in the video.
Quote from: K-Dog on Aug 17, 2024, 03:48 PMQuoteWhat does it mean to be a communist. It means the working people taking collective responsibility for their country.
That is what Kyle is talking about. What communist do you think he is talking about?
The kind that hasn't existed in reality yet. Hopes and dreams aren't a plan, nor are claims of outcomes not seen before in evidence in big communist countries, the USSR and ChiComs.
Can you point me at his discussion as to why other Communist systems turned out so poorly for the people or the country at large, and his PLAN as to why his new communism won't arrive at the same outcome?
Quote from: K-DogThis video is about America. Tune in, your head is somewhere else.
America isn't communist. The American Communist Party isn't one I can vote for, nor does it advertise its advantages to capitalism locally, nor have I seen any claims it makes in the papers, on the TV at night, etc etc. Bashing America because you don't like the way it works is just bashing America, regardless of what political system you favor in its place. Its popular and easy. Discussing the details howeever...
Is it explained in the video by the American Communist Party how I will be affected by their PLAN to make the US communist? Are people with above average incomes to be taxed so everyone can have free health care? Will be housed in places where my neighbors might an Elon Musk folks on one side of a large concrete apartment complex and the other a family who thinks vodka and reefer cures all ills? What will happen to those who have accumulated wealth, will households with 7 figure housing equity be required to sell it to get to the expected level of housing as the rest of us? Can we all own multiple luxury cars, or only party leaders?
Quote from: K-DogConcerning the how, the answers are in the video.
If you tell me my obvious questions of a neophyte to the history of how countries transition from something not Communism to something Communism is in the video, I will watch it all, front to back.
If you, having watched the video, know it doesn't answer what strikes me as obvious questions that any new or potential party member might ask (and recruiters who know the story should have ready and easy answers for), then please venture that now. If you say that information is there and all it takes is the time to listen, I will find time tomorrow to watch it from to back.