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The Cubans are back in the dark yet again, and one has to wonder how long this can go on for before there is some kind of change in the situation.  Perhaps a popular uprising or coup d'etat?

One has to figure anybody with enough money for a plane ticket would leave and ask for asylum just about anywhere else.  Also given the proximity to FL that people without enough money would be jumping in any boat that floats at this point.  There's no way they are going to have any money for buying oil or fixing their power plants anytime soon, and nobody is offering to give it to them for free, so what's the solution here?

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/cubas-electric-grid-collapses-after-power-plant-failure-2024-12-04/

Cuba's electric grid collapses after power plant failure, millions without light

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Back to pre-industrial civilization for Cuba!

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Quote from: RE on Mar 16, 2026, 05:50 PMBack to pre-industrial civilization for Cuba!
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Cuba survived peak oil back in 2006 or so, it shouldn't be hard to get through it again.

How Cuba Survived Peak Oil-Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1907)

Who would have thought that an American President would pour gasoline on collapse.





And that the American people would do nothing and let Satan have his way.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 16, 2026, 06:43 PM

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Which collapse? The version where population isn't going backwards, and everyone can have as much as they can afford because such is the way of the world, and there is ice for everyone?

How much has this collapse decreased the human population to date?

Strikes me that this is another reasonable gauge of an actual real life collapse, along with the early warning of people not being able to make ice out between cities and whatnot.

Anyone seen any bodies piling up on street corners as society breaks down and coroners don't collect the bodies because they are so busy? RE, you might see that sooner than anyone else. Large number of folks being kept in the freezers at your facility because collapse is stopping the collection of cadavers?

Collapse comes before the dead bodies.  When there are dead bodies things have already collapsed.

Hassan reports from Havana amid a country-wide blackout crisis, highlighting the devastating impact of the U.S. economic blockade and interference by the U.S. government which even tells Americans which hotel they can stay in if they visit Cuba.

Life is defined by scarcity.  Daily rolling blackouts affect the entire country, and fuel shortages make basic transportation unaffordable. At a major Havana hospital, he interviews a surgeon earning $17 a month, and sees buildings in disrepair because the U.S. blockade even restricts the chemicals needed for paint.

Despite these hardships, Hassan emphasizes the spirit of the Cuban people. Instead of despair, he observes a vibrancy and resiliency, with locals "partying in the streets."  Holding block parties, and maintaining an unbreakable "vibe" in the face of the economic crisis imposed by U.S. policy.  Hassan thinks it is an island thing in part.  I'll say unsullied humanity is the rest.

No oil , and Americans have robbed Cubans of a decent life.  Still they live.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 18, 2026, 05:01 PM

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Collapse comes before the dead bodies.  When there are dead bodies things have already collapsed.

Depends on the definition used obviously. Collapse comes with the bodies. Faux collapse is the kind without the body count, just people wanting to classify a disruption in the norm as collapse. That allows the collapse game to just keep on roling. Collapse comes in forms of severity. It has to be severe enough to have a body count.

CoPilot say:

Collapse refers to a profound and sustained breakdown of a society's essential systems—such as governance, economy, infrastructure, and cultural institutions—in which the disruption is so severe that it is accompanied by a large and lasting decrease in the human population.

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 21, 2026, 05:14 PMCollapse refers to a profound and sustained breakdown of a society's essential systems—such as governance, economy, infrastructure, and cultural institutions—in which the disruption is so severe that it is accompanied by a large and lasting decrease in the human population.

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Quote from: RE on Mar 21, 2026, 06:22 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 21, 2026, 05:14 PMCollapse refers to a profound and sustained breakdown of a society's essential systems—such as governance, economy, infrastructure, and cultural institutions—in which the disruption is so severe that it is accompanied by a large and lasting decrease in the human population.

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Oh come on. What, you think I'm as stupid as common website sycophanats or spend my time half whacked on weed? The definition was "human population", not some slightly larger than normal contagion.

"The Black Death (roughly 1347–1352) caused a massive decrease in human population, killing an estimated 30% to 50% of Europe's population. Global population plummeted from around 470 million to 370 million by 1400, marking the largest demographic shock and the only significant, direct reduction in global population since A.D. 1000😌"

Covid was the global equivalent of a sneeze.

Has to start somewhere.

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QuoteSpend my time half whacked on weed.

It could be an improvement.  A way to broaden your horizon.  It's much harder to be narrow-minded when you're busy trying to remember why you walked into the room in the first place and can't find the door.  For some it is the secret to their success.  It is easier to think outside the box when you can't remember where the box is.

And Trump doesn't even need the weed.

Quote from: RE on Mar 22, 2026, 01:26 PM

HEATMAP.NEWS • 2026-03-22

The Energy Supply Shock of the Iran War Changes Everything

No matter how much longer the United States and Israel’s war with Iran lasts, the world’s energy system will be grappling with its consequences at least through the end of the year, if not for far longer.

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A sobering read.  Rationing power to data centers would be a good idea.  In Europe, chemical and steel manufacturers are facing surcharges of up to 30% due to surging electricity and gas costs. 

The end result of all this will be a worldwide depression with the 1% tripling their wealth , and a lot of average people starving.  Maybe you and me?  So anything to cut power use would be a good idea.

Trump won't be around to see how bad of a mess he made  of things.  He would not understand anyway.  Trump has signed his own death warrant.  It will take some time for the fates to work things out, but they will. 🍿   $200 a barrel oil will make Trump hated like we have never yet seen.  No way he can blame this one on B-I-D-E-N.




For a global system requireing "frictionless" flow of energy and materials to maintain a 2% to 3% annual growth rate, Trump has fucked the pootch.

Quote from: RE on Mar 22, 2026, 10:44 AMHas to start somewhere.

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Of course it does. But it ain't happened yet, and all the hopes and dreams of those claiming it for decades now doesn't make it so.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 22, 2026, 01:27 PM

QuoteSpend my time half whacked on weed.

It could be an improvement.  A way to broaden your horizon.

I have heard the argument before. Primarily during high school when I lived in circumstances where quite a few of my friends thought it was a great way to spend some time. Drugs, booze, whatever. As might be expected I was the target of some ridicule for not participating. I can only volunteer that dad being a drunk and the consequences of it were something I expanded to include avoiding all types of drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, whatever.

Quote from: K-DogIt's much harder to be narrow-minded when you're busy trying to remember why you walked into the room in the first place and can't find the door.

It's much harder to be narrow minded when your co-workers/teachers across multiple fields of science are the best and brightest in the fiels and can be challenged into, and bested. This is done by learning what they know and using it in ways they never imagined. Certainty thorough understanding isn't being narrow minded. Certainty, proven out by future events, is just a consequence of NOT being narrow minded. It is just a consequence of applying a wide band approach to solving a problem others couldn't.

Quote from: K-DogFor some it is the secret to their success.  It is easier to think outside the box when you can't remember where the box is.

Possible I suppose. I certainly never started out with the idea to build a better mousetrap. Didn't even realize I was thinking outside of a box when I did it. It just seemed like...it made sense.

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Quote from: RE on Mar 22, 2026, 10:44 AMHas to start somewhere.

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Of course it does. But it ain't happened yet, and all the hopes and dreams of those claiming it for decades now doesn't make it so.

When the Titanic struck the iceberg at the ship didn't immediately sink. Many passengers felt a slight jar and went back to bed. Sycophants on the upper decks carried on as if all was well.  The lights stayed on, the band played, and the champagne was cold.

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 22, 2026, 06:36 PMBut it ain't happened yet

Of course it hasn't.  You can't predict something that has already happened. 🙄

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Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 22, 2026, 07:50 PMWhen the Titanic struck the iceberg at the ship didn't immediately sink. Many passengers felt a slight jar and went back to bed. Sycophants on the upper decks carried on as if all was well.  The lights stayed on, the band played, and the champagne was cold.

Indeed. But expand the time frame...allow it to cover the overarching concept of Apocalyticism, the category within which our decades of doomer experience resides within (if not centuries once religious collapsologists get involved) and the Titanic has been sinking since before you were born, before your parents were born, is still sinking, and all along the way, people have BELIEVED it will, and will die believing it. Collapse never having arrived, all along the way.

But it isn't any fun thinking of Apocalypticism instead of doom right around the corner is it?

It isn't a hobby. It isn't a cool frame work to hang websites around, without the time component, EXACTLY as you have framed it with the Titanic. DOOM IS HERE! YOU SUCKERS JUST DON'T KNOW IT! WE CLEVER FOLKS ARE IMBUED WITH KNOWLEDGE AND ARE TRYING TO WARN THOSE SMART ENOUGH TO BELIEVE AS WE DO!

Just don't mention todays doom is naught but one in a string claimed, predicted, pretended to be happening in the moment (peak oil 2005 comes to mind, Planet X is coming, Yellowstone is exploding) events. All of these are just examples on RE's websites, Apocalypticism goes back a millennium.

The Titanic angle doesn't work is someone knows any history on the overarching topic. It is no different than me using a GRB, that no one can see yet, but certainly might be coming, to do the same thing. And a GRB is FAR sexier. But hard to pitch something that hard to see...but you could try the Titanic angle for that doom the same way. And a GRB is WAY cool.

Quote from: RE on Mar 22, 2026, 09:08 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 22, 2026, 06:36 PMBut it ain't happened yet

Of course it hasn't.  You can't predict something that has already happened. 🙄

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Sure you can. It is called a fact at that point. Peakers, amusingly enough, didn't even get it right AFTER it happened. Because it kept happening!

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 23, 2026, 05:18 PM

Quote from: RE on Mar 22, 2026, 09:08 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 22, 2026, 06:36 PMBut it ain't happened yet

Of course it hasn't.  You can't predict something that has already happened. 🙄

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Sure you can. It is called a fact at that point. Peakers, amusingly enough, didn't even get it right AFTER it happened. Because it kept happening!

TDoS - You have one warning.  I don't want to hear another peep out of you about peak oil for 1 week.  That will be March 30th.  You will have another vacation away from the Diner if you bring it up.  I am sick of your tedious bullshit.

This thread is about an actual ongoing energy crisis, and is not about your whining never ending rant about peak oil definitions.  Which is really just a veiled way of pissing on the Diner.  You could at least find an appropriate topic to post in instead of venting your sociopathic affinity for the dark side here.

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 23, 2026, 05:18 PMSure you can. It is called a fact at that point. Peakers, amusingly enough, didn't even get it right AFTER it happened. Because it kept happening!

Facts aren't predictions.  Nor are facts always factual.  Nor are even factual facts always interpreted the same way.  In any event as Kdog points out, the thread isn't about peak oil, it's about the conditions in Cuba under the Trumpolini oil embargo.   If you have something worthwhile to say about that, feel free to post it here.  You've already been warned about going off topic to beat your dead peak oil horse.

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It's a little ironic that Greta Thunberg is trying to get oil into Cuba to burn. lol.

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Quote from: RE on Mar 24, 2026, 01:16 PMIt's a little ironic that Greta Thunberg is trying to get oil into Cuba to burn. lol.

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She knows the Cubans don't use it to live high on the hog.  It will be used for keeping hospital generators running, preserving food supplies, and maintaining basic water sanitation.  Trump cut Cuba off two months ago.  In late January Trump signed an Executive Order declaring a national emergency regarding Cuba. This authorized stiff tariffs on any country that continues to supply the island with oil, effectively creating a "total oil embargo" to pressure the Cuban government into sucking American dick.

War crime by executive order (EO 14380).

For more than six decades, Cuba has suffered the consequences of terrorist acts, organized and financed from the United States.  Cuba will outlive Trump.

I hope Putin is not using this to trade Ukraine for Cuba.  Trump will let Putin have Ukraine if Trump can have Cuba and after that Greenland to.  These childish games make people suffer.  The people of Cuba need that fucking oil.

I am convinced some people are like A.I. and not really alive.

Quoterestrict fuel supplies to Cuba

Because if they were alive they would know that their lies make people suffer.

"Restriction" is a euphemism.  --->   "Restriction" Vs. "Embargo"

When we analyze the word "restriction," we see a word designed to sound like a dial being turned down.  A controlled, clinical action. The reality is a switch has been flipped off.  Like on a heart lung machine, turned off, the machine can't do its job and, somebody might die.

Trump does not give two fucks, I hope you are different.  Cuba has not had oil for months.  Their electricity comes from oil.

The article referenced George Lakoff.  An argument was made that three techniques, are being applied with surgical precision against the Cuba : framing, agenda setting, and gaslighting.

The article is very convincing and describes the news distortions which have been inflicted on America accurately.