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Here's a comprehensive list of Der Fuehrer Trump's diktats so far:

Updated Jan 28, 2025 -
Energy & Climate
Tracking Trump's executive orders: What he's signed so far

    Avery Lotz

Trump reads and signs executive orders while piles of other orders sit on the resolute desk in the Oval Office.

President Trump signs a series of executive orders at the White House on Jan. 20. Photo: Jabin Botsford /The Washington Post via Getty Images

President Trump is carrying out his pledge to give the U.S. a MAGA makeover by signing a slew of executive actions in his first week that walk back Biden-era policies and fulfill his campaign promises.

The big picture: Trump's radical expansion of executive power will dramatically change life for millions of people if the orders withstand the barrage of legal challenges that are already coming.
President Trump executive orders list 2025

What Trump's executive orders do...
Immigration executive orders

Many of Trump's first orders curtail immigration at the southern border.

    He promised mass deportations but hasn't detailed how he would implement, staff and fund such a massive, costly operation.

Trump declares national emergency at Mexico border

Trump declared an emergency at the U.S.-Mexico border, vowing to deploy troops to the region, including the National Guard. He instructed the secretaries of Defense and Homeland Security to construct additional border barriers.

    Trump designated "certain international cartels" and organizations, such as Tren de Aragua and MS-13, as foreign terrorist organizations and announced plans to invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to target them.
    Trump suspended U.S. Refugee Admissions Program resettlements. Homeland Security will report back within 90 days whether resuming refugee entries would "be in the interests" of America.
    Nearly 1,660 Afghans cleared by the U.S. to resettle in the country, including family of active-duty U.S. military personnel, had their flights canceled following Trump's orders, Reuters reported.
    Trump aordered Homeland Security to terminate "all categorical parole programs that are contrary" to U.S. policies established in his orders, including those for refugees fleeing Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela.

Remain in Mexico policy

Trump reinstated the "Remain in Mexico" policy, ending a program that released asylum seekers into the U.S. while their cases were considered.

    The U.S. Customs and Border Protection website said appointments made through the CBP One app at certain border crossings had been canceled on Jan. 20. Hours later, Trump nixed the program.
    Trump empowered officials to "repeal, repatriate, or remove any alien engaged in the invasion" of the southern border.

Trump birthright citizenship executive order

One of his boldest moves was an attempt to end birthright citizenship for those born to undocumented immigrants, which is protected by the U.S. Constitution. The order faces legal challenges.

    Trump ordered agencies (starting 30 days after the Jan. 20 order) not to recognize babies as citizens if their mothers were "unlawfully present" at the time of birth and their father was not a U.S. citizen or a lawful permanent resident.
    This applies to children born to mothers who were lawful, temporary residents and fathers who were not citizens or lawful permanent residents.

Energy and environment executive orders

Trump declared a "national energy emergency," ordering expedited, deregulated drilling.

    One order specifically targets energy production in Alaska — rescinding former President Biden's protections around the state's coastal areas.

Separately, Trump paused offshore wind leasing in federal waters.

    "[T]he heads of all other relevant agencies, shall not issue new or renewed approvals, rights of way, permits, leases, or loans for onshore or offshore wind projects," pending a review of federal wind leasing, per the memorandum.

Paris Climate treaty

State of play: Trump signed an order withdrawing the U.S., the world's second-largest greenhouse gas emitter, from the Paris Climate Agreement.

    Trump had pulled out of the pact during his first term, but Biden rejoined it in a day-one order of his own.
    It takes a year to withdraw from the agreement.

Trump took aim at the Biden administration's federal procurement targets for clean power, electric vehicles and other energy goals.

    Trump directed the Energy secretary to restart application reviews for liquefied natural gas export projects, which were paused by Biden over climate change concerns.
    Trump also revoked a 2021 Biden executive order that set a goal for 50% of US vehicle sales to be electric by 2030.

Executive orders targeting DEI and transgender Americans

Trump established that it is U.S. policy "to recognize two sexes, male and female" on official documents.

    "These sexes are not changeable and are grounded in fundamental and incontrovertible reality," his Jan. 20 executive order read.
    Transgender Americans were a central target of Trump's often hyperbolic and outright false campaign trail messaging.

Zoom out: He also rescinded a Biden administration provision that allowed transgender people to serve in the military.

    Trump did not immediately ban trans military personnel from serving, as he did under his first administration, but he paved the path to revive the ban.
    He signed a ban on federal funding or support for anyone under 19 for gender-affirming care on Tuesday.

Trump, as part of his crusade against what the GOP decries as "woke" culture, ordered the dismantling of government diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives within 60 days.

    It eliminates policies that established several diversity initiatives, including one that widened sex discrimination protections to include sexual orientation and gender identity.
    In a Jan. 21 order, Trump specifically directed the Federal Aviation Administration "to immediately return to non-discriminatory, merit-based hiring, as required by law" and rescind DEI initiatives.

Separately, Trump ordered all executive departments and agencies to terminate what he called "discriminatory and illegal" preferences, policies, programs, guidance and other provisions and to "combat illegal private-sector DEI preferences, mandates, policies, programs, and activities."

    In doing so, he revoked decades of executive orders, including the Equal Employment Opportunity order of 1965 signed by former President Lyndon B. Johnson.
    It calls for each agency to identify "up to nine potential civil compliance investigations of publicly traded corporations, large non-profit corporations or associations, foundations with assets of 500 million dollars or more, State and local bar and medical associations, and institutions of higher education with endowments over 1 billion dollars."

Other executive orders affecting federal workers

Trump signed several other provisions that will impact government workers.

    He required a full-time return to in-office work for federal employees and ordered a hiring freeze on government positions.
    The hiring freeze does not apply to the military or "immigration enforcement, national security, or public safety."

He reinstated his first-term Schedule F executive order, which could make it easier to fire civil servants deemed disloyal.

    The order could strip employment protections from thousands of federal employees.
    Employees are "not required to personally or politically support the current President" — but they must "faithfully implement administration policies to the best of their ability," the order said.

Jan. 6 pardons and other clemency actions

Trump pardoned the most Jan. 6 defendants (some 1,500) charged with participating in the Capitol riot and commuted the sentences of 14 others.

    Among those were leaders of extremist groups the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers.
    Pardoning rioters was a prominent campaign pledge, but Trump had previously said recipients would be determined on a "case-by-case" basis.

Zoom out: Trump announced on Jan. 21 he had signed a full and unconditional pardon for Ross Ulbricht, the creator of the unlawful Silk Road marketplace who was sentenced to life in prison in 2015.

    On Wednesday, he issued a "full and unconditional pardon" to two police officers convicted for the 2020 murder of Karon Hylton-Brown, a 20-year-old Black man, in D.C.

Health executive orders: WHO, COVID and drug costs

Trump signed a Jan. 20 order pulling the U.S. from the World Health Organization, a process he started during his first term due to what the order claimed was "the organization's mishandling of the COVID-19 pandemic ... and other global health crises," among other reasons.

Zoom in: Trump on Monday renstated military members who were dismissed because they refused to receive the COVID vaccine.

    The Trump administration on Jan. 22 waived requirements that green card applicants be vaccinated against COVID.
    Trump also rescinded a 2022 Biden order to lower the cost of prescription drugs.

TikTok extension, DOGE and more executive orders

Other executive orders and actions include:

    Requiring the attorney general to pursue federal death sentences and ensure states have enough drugs to administer lethal injections for executions.
    Re-designating the Houthi rebels in Yemen as a terrorist organization;
    Ensuring government agencies do not "unconstitutionally abridge the free speech of any American citizen," highlighting what Trump and his allies considered censorship under Biden.
    Ordering a review of trade practices and agreements.
    Revoking security clearances of Trump's former national security adviser, John Bolton, and former intelligence officials who signed a letter discrediting the Hunter Biden laptop story.
    Formally establishing the Department of Government Efficiency.
    Suspending the TikTok ban for 75 days.
    Declaring that federal buildings should "respect regional, traditional, and classical architectural heritage" to "beautify public spaces and ennoble the United States."
    Renaming Denali to Mount McKinley and the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.
    Federally recognizing the Lumbee Tribe.
    Declassifying files related to the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr.
    Supporting the use of digital assets, blockchain technology and other financial technology.
    Establishing a President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology (PCAST) composed of up to 24 members.
    Revoking existing artificial intelligence policies and directives that "act as barriers to American AI innovation" and setting a 180-day deadline to develop an AI plan.

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/21/president-donald-trump-executive-orders-list

RE

At least some of the Pols in CONgress are pointing out the move toward Dictatorship by Der Trumper.  Of course since it is coming from the progressives on the Dem side of the aisle, it will be completely ignored.  Well, maybe not since the SCOTUS has somewhat put the brakes on the USAID Massacre.  The purge of career civil servants in the FBI and Justice dept is ongoing though.

Giving Musk control over the Treasury Dept computer system and payments is unbelievably dangerous.  It's the financial equivalent of giving out the Nuclear Codes.  These guys could cripple the financial system with the push of a button.  Remember the words of Mayer Amschel Rotthschild:

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/03/trump-musk-plutocratic-coup

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Musk has lawsuits against the National Labor Review board and as Trump's mini-me certain people are now being fired there.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjev2j70v19o

Trump calls Zelensky a 'dictator' as rift between two leaders deepens

RE

Here's where the rubber meets the road.  Will the SCOTUS bend over and take it up the ass from King Trump?  Or will they finally grow a pair and keep the power grab from reaching completion?  Even without this final step he's already turned the constitutional separation of powers into shredded toilet paper, but taking total control of agencies that regulate banking and trade gives him absolute authority to rob the country blind, which he will undoubtedly do anyhow but this will make it a cakewalk.

Are the Amerikan People really THAT stupid that this will go down without so much as a whimper?  Rhetorical question.

Trump Issued Perhaps His Most Terrifying Executive Order on Tuesday

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/02/king-donald-trump-terrifying-executive-order.html

RE

Here's where the rubber meets the road as far as RE is concerned.  Big cuts to Medicaid would almost certainly directly affect my situation in all sorts of ways.  If I am cut, no way can I remain in my current living situation.  Even if not though, its bound to affect how this entire business functions, because probably 95% of the residents here are covered by Medicaid.  The place was recently sold, and the new corporation already has cut staff ratios below the generally accepted levels to increase profits.  There's not much room for cost cutting.

Regardless of the reimbursements, legally speaking they're not allowed to put you on the street with no housing, so I'm not yet worried about a sudden eviction.  Just have to play it by ear.

Trump's Medicaid Cuts Would Leave Millions of Americans Without Health Care

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/02/trump-republican-medicaid-cuts-health-disability/

RE

Here is a demoographic I do NOT feel sorry for.  This is eternal justice at work.  :)

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2025-02-26/federal-job-cuts-hit-trump-supporters

They voted for Trump, but now they're losing their U.S. government jobs

RE

Cross "checks & balances" off the list of features of the Amerikan system of goobermint.  The rule of law does not apply to the POTUS.

https://www.vox.com/donald-trump/404665/trump-defy-supreme-court-alawieh-deportation

RE

Quote from: RE on Mar 17, 2025, 05:43 PMCross "checks & balances" off the list of features of the Amerikan system of goobermint.  The rule of law does not apply to the POTUS.

https://www.vox.com/donald-trump/404665/trump-defy-supreme-court-alawieh-deportation

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A federal judge on Monday questioned whether the Trump administration ignored his orders to turn around planes carrying deportees to El Salvador, a possible violation of the decision he'd issued minutes before.

District Judge James E. Boasberg was incredulous over the administration's contentions that his verbal directions did not count, that only his written order needed to be followed, that it couldn't apply to flights that had left the U.S. and that the administration could not answer his questions about the deportations due to national security issues.

His I.C.E. goons are deporting people illegally.  And it looks like Trump's El Salvador mercenary, Nayib Bukele  (https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.devdiscourse.com%2Fremote.axd%3Fhttps%3A%2F%2Fdevdiscourse.blob.core.windows.net%2Fdevnews%2F02_06_2019_01_28_34_3139911.jpg%3Fwidth%3D920%26format%3Djpeg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=a63ad66bf4bb77edf587ee6d85993b44f7364709c35af53c9b5a19a431895fc0&ipo=images)  knows what to do with them when they get there.  Six million dollars can shave a lot of heads.  A whole years worth.  Likely only the start of a gravy train.


* Trump says he's ending Secret Service protection for Biden's adult children

If you ever wondered what the term 'Hater' means.  Trump be one.

Time for a:

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Where I got the artwork. (https://depts.washington.edu/labhist/strike//index.shtml)  Some forgotten American history.

On the morning of February 6, 1919, Seattle, a city of 315,000 people, stopped working. 25,000 other union members had joined 35,000 shipyard workers already on strike. The city's AFL unions, 101 of them, had voted to walk out in a gesture of support and solidarity. And most of the remaining work force stayed home as stores closed and streetcars stopped running.

Trump is crashing everything, and the modern equivalent would stop Trump dead in his tracks.

If Trump follows thru on this threat, there will be total anarchy.  Even just the threat should be making any sane person quake in their boots.

I'm wondering how Repugnant CONgres Critters will react to this?  Not to mention the MAGA faithful.  A LOT of them are on SS.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/21/social-securitys-lee-dudek-raises-concerns-following-judges-restraining-order.html

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QuoteIf Trump follows thru on this threat, there will be total anarchy.

There will be civil war.



Athena was in Portland, Seattle had the CHAZ or CHOP (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/7/2/21310109/chop-chaz-cleared-violence-explained) or whatever you want to call it.  Trump created a powder keg and George Floyd was the trigger.

Trump's response to police killing threatens to further deepen unrest in America, Democrats and Republicans say  (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-george-floyd-protests/index.html)  <--- May 31, 2020

All Trump can do is divide people.  His skill as a manipulator depends on scapegoats.  But as the first rule of stupidity is always to underestimate the number of stupid people, Teflon Don will likely slide for a while longer.  Would Satan wear a nice suit and have a nice smile?  Of course he would.  He would probably smell good too.

But the time will come.


Just a small town girl living in a lonely world....  The music.    Over played as hell but I still like it.

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Sadly but not surprisingly Columbia (mostly) capitulated to Trumpolini's  diktats, although they tried to walk a tightropee on the "Academic Receivership" demand just by appointing someone to review the department's policies.  Whether that is sufficient for his Trumpness remains to be seen.  They also tiptoed around banning masks, which they only did if it was "for the purpose of hiding identity".  Medical and religious face coverings still allowed.  This renders the ban close to worthless.

Columbia doesn't want to lose the $400M in funding, which even with their endowment is a huge pill to swallow.  Just about everyone in the academic community is disappointed, but they're not the ones who will lose the money (yet).  I think they hope by giving in partially, it will satisfy Der Fuehrer, but it probably won't.  He's certain to keep going after the other schools, even if he accepts this from Columbia.  We'll have to see if Harvard has more backbone.  They definitely have more money.

It's definitely time for national level action from students and faculty.  We're going to need Vietnam era style demonstrations for this to get general attention, most people in the MAGA camp despise academia and could care less about academic freedom.  Do Gen Z students care about it?  Dunno.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/columbia-research-takes-immediate-hit-trump-funding-cuts-2025-03-21/

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It didn't take long for the Crisis Creation Team to walk back the SS Shutdown threat.  Probably every Repugnant CONgress Critter shit the bed when they read that one.  Switchboard at the White House must have lit up like a Christmas Tree.

Of course, this was only the opening salvo.  I'm sure there will be more to come.

Judge slams Social Security chief for agency shutdown 'threats' after ruling barring DOGE access (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/21/social-securitys-lee-dudek-raises-concerns-following-judges-restraining-order.html)

RE

Can't win in the courts?  Get rid of them!

Fascism on steroids.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/26/mike-johnson-congress-courts-trump

RE

For our post-truth word, some fiction:

The Privatized and Fascist States of America

The year was 2029. The American Experiment had ended.  Not with a bang, but corporate acquisition has trumped all freedom.

Following Donald Trump's re-election in 2024, the U.S. government underwent a radical transformation. With Elon Musk as Chief Efficiency Officer, Trump's unofficial but all-powerful special government employee, the new administration began the largest privatization scheme in history. Agencies deemed "inefficient" were sold to the highest bidder. Social Security was acquired by Meta. The U.S. Postal Service? is replaced by Tesla Logistics. The Federal Reserve is gone and a new digital currency run by an AI, " $TRUMP dollars" takes its place.  With a picture of the smiling orange motherfucker on every god-dammed digital wallet.  This is required by law.

At first, markets surged. Investors celebrated. America became a corporate utopia, innovation replaced bureaucracy and stimulus checks squelched any resistance to Trump's profit of plunder.

By 2026, cracks began to show. California and New York, resisting federal mandates and the surging poverty, declared economic independence, refusing to recognize the authority of the newly privatized government.  California became fully independent while Texas unlike the rest of America, thrived. 

Fully embracing Musk's vision of a decentralized, crypto-backed society based on cultivated economic disparity, Texas became the go to place for slave labor and tax free profit.  The Texas economy boomed at the same time interstate trade collapsed.

Basic services became subscription-based. Water in Arizona became a premium commodity controlled by Amazon Aquatics.  Any emergency medical care required a Platinum + membership.  Nothing was free and Trump instituted an air tax on anybody deemed a useless eater.  $50 a month if your net worth was less than $1,000,000 or if your politics were considered "progressive".  The tax became known as the "progressive tax",  but nobody who had to pay it thought it was funny.

By 2028, Washington D.C. was an abandoned husk, its marble monuments covered by corporate branding. Power had moved to Austin, where Trump, Musk, and their billionaire council presided over the fragmented remains of a once-united nation, fully protected by their mercenary armies of private police.

Their Privatized States of America restored the age of great robber barons.  For a small few America was great once again.

But not everyone was happy with the changes. A resistance movement, inspired by abandoned and outdated ideals of democracy and fueled by daddy issues with the big orange daddy, emerged in the Rust Belt.

Led by ex-government officials and the legion of unemployed.  The resistance sought to reestablish a public government, battling AI-controlled security forces and corporate mercenary forces. Their leader, a former postal worker named Hope Dashed, spread propaganda through underground networks.  Distributing printed pamphlets which urged Americans to reject their status as "subscribers" and reclaim their rights as citizens.

California its own nation began to launch its own communication satellites unwilling to pay the Musk nut for use of Starlink in 2028.  A direct challenge to Musk's dominance Starlink satellites went dark in an attempt to bring California into submission as had been done successfully to Canada.  Armed skirmishes erupted along the Mississippi in the ensuing chaos.  The Mississippi is a de facto border between privatized corporate states and free territories.

Now as the battle for America's rages on, one question looms.

Will America find its way back from the brink, or is it destined to follow the Soviet Union's path.   Fragmented, leaderless, impoverished, and lost to history?

It appears to be so.  Millions now die.

Not gonna see campus rebellions like  1968 this time round.  By targeting the immigrants and foreign students, Trump has successfully put the fear of deportation and imprisonment in the people protesting.  This has divided the community into a them and us situation, demonizing the foreigners.  During Vietnam, protesters might get arrested, but they weren't being deported to jails in El Salvador.  The risks this time around are substantially larger.

I suspect with Peaceful Protest now off the table, we'll see a rise in bombings and violent actions to draw attention to the plight of the Palestinians.  This in turn will result in even more repression.  Civil War seems inevitable.

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At Columbia University, Trump's crackdown chills a fervent campus

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/columbia-university-protests-trump-crackdown-rcna198016

QuoteEl Salvador.

Indeed 'Gitmo' is now privatized.  New and improved and more EFFICIENT (https://pnghq.com/wp-content/uploads/elon-musk-png-transparent-image-download-85391-1536x1536.png)  than a fucking NAZI gas chamber.  Add in a few of the more native American, latino looking DACA Dreamers to start with next. Then when there is not a peep from anyone, add in Joe next door.  Put him on the list.  Native born corn fed Scots-Irish too.  Come one come all.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out.  Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out.  Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.

The rank and file of MAGA slowly wakes up.  But the full realization that Trump never gave a fuck about them, they will not realize in time.  Not until it is too late.  The truth can be painful, and we all avoid pain.

Some veterans in MAGA have reached a point where they are thinking.  'He does not get it.  Somebody needs to tell him stuff, and as soon as Trump understands he will do the right thing.

In a case of such total delusion, coming to one's senses can be painfully slow.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 27, 2025, 09:24 PMFirst they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out.  Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out.  Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.

Niemoller's quote is getting a lot of play these days.  Of course the MAGAotts figure they're safe because they're old white folks.  Wait till their Social Security checks go missing and nobody answers the phone on the help line.

The whole idea that Ph.D, candidates at Ivy League schools are a threat to National Security is utterly preposterous.  All that is happening here is like any Totalitarian state, dissent is being crushed.  Same as Stalin sending Solzhenitsyn to the Gulag.  ICE is Trump's Stazi & KGB.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/28/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-trump-immigration-gaza

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As I mentioned when Columbia responded to Trumpolini's demands originally, they were attempting to appear to acquiese without going the full 9 yards on Academic Reeceivership or masks.  It was questionable whether it would be enough to satisfy His Trumpness, and clearly so far it hasn't been.  The $400M is still being held hostage, and my guess is rather than further capitulate, the interim Prez decided to resign and hand off the thankless job to somebody else.

Faculty and students are already unhappy, so further actions to get the money released likely won't go over well.  So they need a new tactic.

Rather than demonstrations, a Student-Faculty Strike would be worth a try, particularly since they would likely get support from the other Ivies.    They also have to make thee narrative about Freedom of Speech and not about Palestinian genocide.

It will be interesting to see what the new interim Prez does now.  Definitely a job with no upside.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/28/columbia-university-katrina-armstrong

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It's official, Harvard has more backbone than Columbia.  Or they're endowmeent is better positioned to withstand losing goobermint grants.  Whichever it is the question is where Herr Trump will go from here, and whether this will begin to motivate some campus protesting against Trumpolini?  So far his actions haven't produced enough in the way of negative consequences, which encourages him to keep going further.

And the beat goes on.


https://apnews.com/article/harvard-trump-administration-federal-cuts-antisemitism-0a1fb70a2c1055bda7c4c5a5c476e18d

Trump administration freezes $2.2 billion in grants to Harvard over campus activism

RE

The statement from the federal antisemitism task force asserts that Harvard's stance reflects a disregard for civil rights obligations tied to federal funding. Yet, cutting off funds is done to suppress student protest.  A constitutionally protected civil right under the First Amendment.

This is a fundamental contradiction: the government claims to be enforcing civil rights law by violating one of the most essential civil rights  The right to free expression and peaceful protest.   You cannot claim to defend civil liberties by attacking them. If federal funding is contingent upon silencing dissent, it is not civil rights that are being upheld, but political compliance that is enforced. This is coercion.

The money being withheld was never granted by the withholding party, and the withholding party should not be deciding how money they have nothing to do with should be spent.  But thieves are in charge so whatcha gonna do?

Impeach the motherfucker.  Or suffer revolt.  If you are watching big brother, and I know you are, it is a simple choice.

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Trumpolini goes Full Hitler!  Now he's gonna deport citizens to foreign jails!  Plus once their there, he claims no responsibility to bring them back!  HTF are you supposed to appeal?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/homegrowns-trump-doubles-sending-convicted-us-citizens-foreign/story?id=120802863

'Homegrowns are next': Trump doubles down on sending American 'criminals' to foreign prisons

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Quote"In fact, Mr. President, you have 350 million people to liberate. You know, but to liberate 350 million people, you have to imprison some," Bukele said.

Open defiance of the law of the land.  And everyone is too pussy to stop it.  You would think out of 350 million people there would be enough who would rise up and stop the madness.

America went full Nazi in one beat of a heart. 

Sending people to concentration camps qualifies Trump as a full-on no fucking doubt about it Nazi.  Trump is genociding the Gaza Strip right now!  He wants to turn it into a golf course.  Hitler had to use concentration camps in his own country.  Trump has one-upped Hitler here.  Trump's concentration camps are in a foreign land.  The stench of Trump's death will be far away. 

I looked up the definition of Nazi to be sure I was not barking out my ass.  I am not.  Trump is NAZI!



How much of Trump's crypto do we have to buy to get off the list?

Quote from: K-Dog on Apr 15, 2025, 04:09 PMOpen defiance of the law of the land.  And everyone is too pussy to stop it.  You would think out of 350 million people there would be enough who would rise up and stop the madness.

It is truly remarkable how one law after the next is openly disobeyed and the constitution ignored and nobody in Goobernmint is doing a damn thing to stop it.  I remember how people used to wonder how the Germans followed Hitler when he was clearly insane from the beginning.  Now we know.  When you have a political system with hierarchical control, people all the way down the chain just follow orders that come down from above them.  All it takes is for the person at the top of the pyramid to be a madman and the whole system goes nuts.

The other problem is that even those who want to get him out are afraid of what all the idiots who voted for him will do if he was thrown out.  Total anarchy.

RE

Quote from: RE on Apr 15, 2025, 01:01 AMIt's official, Harvard has more backbone than Columbia.
RE

Of course. Never met a single Harvard grad that wasn't top notch, particularly the lawyers. Economic geologists who run oil companies either.

Quote from: K-Dog on Apr 15, 2025, 05:46 AMImpeach the motherfucker.

Been there. Done that. Twice.

Quote from: K-DogOr suffer revolt. 

The pussyfication of America precludes this solution. Those of us here are part ofthe geriatric league now, we don't revolt. At least not with our morning danish and coffee in hand, and after our visit to the doctor to get our meds, and NOTHING is going to interfere with afternoon soap operas and whatnot!

Quote from: RE on Apr 15, 2025, 06:49 PMTotal anarchy.

RE

I'll turn the cheek to that affront, on consideration of your using lower case 'a' intented as vernacular for violent chaos.

If there is one thing I'm certain of, Milgram's experiment  on obedience explains the already corrupt system of governance in place. In poor countries, bribes are paid directly  to get anything done, wheras our system has the bribery is in the salary. What you would encounter in Nigeria, Indonesia or Bangladesh is by far the more honest way.

I don't just mean govt bureaucracy and judiciary, which I term Beauraclergy. This extends to the weasel middle manager and odious company man coworker of any organization, including the private sector. Police, regulatory bodies, tribunals and  appeals, as well as the Courts are corrupt.

Servile sycophant statists remain gormlessly oblivious, unless and until they find themselves touched  by the operation of their Beauraclergy closing ranks against them. You won't find this populace trained to stay in its lane turning down research grants and govt funding for principles, only greater pressure. Hate speech and protest without permit is already illegal and its up to who we gave away that authority to, to categorise it. Rejoice the fourth turning to demolish this dystopian system.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 15, 2025, 09:00 PMWhat you would encounter in Nigeria, Indonesia or Bangladesh is by far the more honest way.

Despite the fact that the sort of corruption you find in the places you mention is more straightforward, I wouldn't like living in any of those countries anymore than I like living in Trumpolini's Amerika.  Particularly in my situation given their social services for the disabled are politely described as substandard. lol.

In today's world, I would rank countries like Finland and Denmark as having the most equitable and least corrupt goobermint systems among developed countries if I were able to freely move countries and be accepted as a citizen.  Alternatively, living on some small non-touristy island in the Society Islands chain in a grass hut would be OK if I get my pension money and the dollar still works.  I'm sure I could pay a couple of native girls enough to give me sponge baths and clean the shack and satellite internet is available.  Anarchy with a capital A only works in very small homogenous societies, IMHO.

RE

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 15, 2025, 09:00 PMIf there is one thing I'm certain of, Milgram's experiment  on obedience explains the already corrupt system of governance in place. In poor countries, bribes are paid directly  to get anything done, wheras our system has the bribery is in the salary.

This confused me. I am paid a salary. What part of my salary has to do with bribery?

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenPolice, regulatory bodies, tribunals and  appeals, as well as the Courts are corrupt.

After a recent exercise as a juror on a murder trial for a week, and having seen nothing that looked anything like corruption, if it is everywhere, how did I miss it? Witnesses testified, judges read some pretty expected rules, 12 common folk sat down at a table and said "SHIT!! did that guy kill that dude or what!" and that was about it.

Quote from: author=Goldernen Oxernen[/quoteServile sycophant statists remain gormlessly oblivious.....

Okay, now who are you referring to? Doomers, public servants, researchers, I mean this category looks like it might include just about everyone using money, and thereby a part of the current system.

As far as oblivious...sometimes it is a good thing. Can you imagine the millions of manhours wasted worrying about peak oil circa 2005 or so? Two decades of people stocking up on toilet paper and guns, buying a hunting cabin, wanting to go "back to the land" and missing 2 decades of economic expansion in the US...the oblivous got that one right. So did those oblivious to the Mayan Calendar stunt. Or Yellowstone exploding...PLANET X!!

Perhaps oblivious to certain concepts is an advantage? Although being educated also working in dodging all that nonsense as well.

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 16, 2025, 10:07 AMThis confused me. I am paid a salary. What part of my salary has to do with bribery?

Being paid to post and mislead re peak oil.  You described it as a side gig, easy extra income rather than full time though. If you get paid full salary, 8 hr  for an hour or so activity, it's paid for by balooning national debt. That shows why minimal govt I advocate is necessary. 

After a recent exercise as a juror on a murder trial for a week, and having seen nothing that looked anything like corruption, if it is everywhere, how did I miss it? Witnesses testified, judges read some pretty expected rules, 12 common folk sat down at a table and said "SHIT!! did that guy kill that dude or what!" and that was about it.

If the sherriff and/or deputy or county official you brandished a rifle at had decided to say you opened fired at him or them, that would be open shut, credible witness/es to likely change the course of your life. Lucky for you the police, prosecution and court were not under pressure to increase the quota of arrests and convictions for not allowing access meter readers or similar. If that were the focus of a politicised issue with a hillbilly studies dept in every university stirring up a crisis fear about it, with an ever increasing budget making it a growth industry in the billion$, chances are better than even you would become a statistic to prove more needs to be done and spent.

 I never said every case is a sham trial and travesty. Where there is no interest in perverting the course of justice, it is frequently allowed.



Okay, now who are you referring to? Doomers, public servants, researchers, I mean this category looks like it might include just about everyone using money, and thereby a part of the current system.

Even Ted Kazinsky had to buy stamps, but the statist state of mind is over regulation, interference and their programmed belief system being as water to the fish. They love big brother and mind his business.

As far as oblivious...sometimes it is a good thing. Can you imagine the millions of manhours wasted worrying about peak oil circa 2005 or so? Two decades of people stocking up on toilet paper and guns, buying a hunting cabin, wanting to go "back to the land" and missing 2 decades of economic expansion in the US...the oblivous got that one right. So did those oblivious to t
he Mayan Calendar stunt. Or Yellowstone exploding...PLANET X!!

I never heard peak oil mentioned before 2008, so I don't know of anyone panicking in 2005 even if they decided to aspire to be off grid and self sufficient some time since then. The cost of living crisis would be far less of a burden not paying for food and energy. The time taken in trial and error, livestock herd size and fruit and nut trees growing to a worthwhile size.

Its amusing how many people now believe there are flat earthers and thats a phenomena that developed in the past decade. I see it often. You never ever see anyone claiming the earth is flat, but will see people referring to flat earthers and not just likening them to flat earthers, but believe that unspecified people do believe the earth is flat. That follows on from a valid but differing opinion to their own. Insisting there are only two genders is pre Copernicus in the 21st Century. The insistence oil is essentially infinite is the belief that could be considered flat earther to me. The mayan calendar having the world end on a year I forget and planet Nibiru were just open questions nobody could do anything about anyway. I don't recall seismic activity ever reported for a Yellowstone evacuation or risk. Did anyone you know of leave the US for fear of it? Probably not, but don't let that stop lumping anyone attributing the cost of living crisis to limits to growth with paranoidelusion.


 Although being educated also working in dodging all that nonsense as well.

Then it beats me why a highly acclaimed and accoladed Nobelaureate  published PhD professor  would go grow longhorn 🐄🐮 cows, chickens 🐔🍗 and xmas trees 🎄 on a 'remote' family ranch 👍

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 16, 2025, 02:55 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 16, 2025, 10:07 AMThis confused me. I am paid a salary. What part of my salary has to do with bribery?

Being paid to post and mislead re peak oil.  You described it as a side gig, easy extra income rather than full time though. If you get paid full salary, 8 hr  for an hour or so activity, it's paid for by balooning national debt. That shows why minimal govt I advocate is necessary. 

You are mistaken. I've never been paid to mislead anyone about anything, such is not the point of the world of science I am familiar with. And since when was telling people that peak oil occurred 7 years ago now misleading?

Do you suggest that the data proving this is MY fault somehow? Or do you object to the use of data to know this as a current irrefutable fact? Data is data...I recommend the EIA International Data Statistics, Crude Oil and Lease Conddensate...stay away from "other liquids" BS.

Quote from: TDoSAfter a recent exercise as a juror on a murder trial for a week, and having seen nothing that looked anything like corruption, if it is everywhere, how did I miss it? Witnesses testified, judges read some pretty expected rules, 12 common folk sat down at a table and said "SHIT!! did that guy kill that dude or what!" and that was about it.

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenIf the sherriff and/or deputy or county official you brandished a rifle at had decided to say you opened fired at him or them, that would be open shut, credible witness/es to likely change the course of your life. Lucky for you the police, prosecution and court were not under pressure to increase the quota of arrests and convictions for not allowing access meter readers or similar.

I don't recall ever brandishing a weapon at a deputy or county official in my life, did you actually DO this and suffer the consequences of it? Or was this just a hypothetical?

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenI never said every case is a sham trial and travesty. Where there is no interest in perverting the course of justice, it is frequently allowed.

Put another way, there may be so few favors and influence peddling that it certainly isn't endemic at all?

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenIts amusing how many people now believe there are flat earthers and thats a phenomena that developed in the past decade. I see it often. You never ever see anyone claiming the earth is flat, but will see people referring to flat earthers and not just likening them to flat earthers, but believe that unspecified people do believe the earth is flat. That follows on from a valid but differing opinion to their own. Insisting there are only two genders is pre Copernicus in the 21st Century. The insistence oil is essentially infinite is the belief that could be considered flat earther to me. The mayan calendar having the world end on a year I forget and planet Nibiru were just open questions nobody could do anything about anyway. I don't recall seismic activity ever reported for a Yellowstone evacuation or risk. Did anyone you know of leave the US for fear of it? Probably not, but don't let that stop lumping anyone attributing the cost of living crisis to limits to growth with paranoidelusion.

Boy did YOU miss all the really COOL doomer stuff of the early 21st century. Where were you, this stuff was everywhere, the Diner had some of those folks who just LOVED Planet X and some of the more entertaining ones. Can you imagine, back then China going down the tubes was considered a near given, as opposed to battling the US for global economic dominance. It was all over the Diner, did you miss it? Were you locked up somewhere or didn't have internet available?

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 16, 2025, 03:50 PMYou are mistaken. I've never been paid to mislead anyone about anything, such is not the point of the world of science I am familiar with. And since when was telling people that peak oil occurred 7 years ago now misleading?

And that would be a reason for keeping the academic and alphabet agency work as one hand not knowing what the other is doing and regularly deleting posts . 1890 is more than 7 years ago.

Do you suggest that the data proving this is MY fault somehow? Or do you object to the use of data to know this as a current irrefutable fact? Data is data...I recommend the EIA International Data Statistics, Crude Oil and Lease Conddensate...stay away from "other liquids" BS.

I see no data cited above.

Quote from: TDoSAfter a recent exercise as a juror on a murder trial for a week, and having seen nothing that looked anything like corruption, if it is everywhere, how did I miss it? Witnesses testified, judges read some pretty expected rules, 12 common folk sat down at a table and said "SHIT!! did that guy kill that dude or what!" and that was about it.

I don't recall ever brandishing a weapon at a deputy or county official in my life, did you actually DO this and suffer the consequences of it? Or was this just a hypothetical?

I did say also "meter reader or similar". You recounted running someone off the property
with a firearm and landing in legal trouble for it. My point is at that time it didn't come under an agenda category of crime to make it fit, make it stick, or you would unlikely have gone free.




Put another way, there may be so few favors and influence peddling that it certainly isn't endemic at all?

If less than 1% of foreign students are Palestinians, the other 99% will not be put in detention and then shifted from holding facility to holding facility so that their lawyer cant file in the correct jurisdiction. However, 100% of the decision making people drawing salary involved are corrupted.

The frequency with which a regulatory board has committed major over reach and fraud and is then liable for compensation and damages to its members is probably small. The frequency an independent govt tribunal will overturn their decision if such damages and compensation would occur is about nil and they will cite maintaining public faith such as yours in their reasons.

Imagine stating during questioning that a 5 year old would need to be severely retarded to not know they would be hurt if they fell 4-5 ft onto a tiled floor. A tribunal panel of legal experts and a PhD psychologist then state you called someone "a retard" as one of many false misquotations in their reasons against your evidence. Mental Retardation being a clinical term the psychologist on the panel and signing off must be familiar with.  All mammals having an innate fear of falling, clearly saying "severe mental retardation refers to profound developmental delay. And so on up in the 🦘 kangaroo court system.

Family courts also deal with dozens of Emmet Tills and Rodney Kings daily, always their gender. You may be oblivious to all this even if there are millions of years of oil 🛢� at current consumption left.


Boy did YOU miss all the really COOL doomer stuff of the early 21st century. Where were you, this stuff was everywhere, the Diner had some of those folks who just LOVED Planet X and some of the more entertaining ones. Can you imagine, back then China going down the tubes was considered a near given, as opposed to battling the US for global economic dominance. It was all over the Diner, did you miss it? Were you locked up somewhere or didn't have internet available?

RE insisted China is toast, counter to my own opinion they were and are thriving. Even here, what happened to Evergreen collapse?

Given that most people were not deleting all their posts on the diner, do a search of the old archives and show anyone saying Planet X was going to knock 🌎 Earth out of orbit.

I also recall soneones expressed dislike for the farm life.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 16, 2025, 05:12 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 16, 2025, 03:50 PMYou are mistaken. I've never been paid to mislead anyone about anything, such is not the point of the world of science I am familiar with. And since when was telling people that peak oil occurred 7 years ago now misleading?

And that would be a reason for keeping the academic and alphabet agency work as one hand not knowing what the other is doing and regularly deleting posts . 1890 is more than 7 years ago.

You seem to be wandering farther afield than I can follow. What is an alphabet soup agency, are you referring to the USGS and Hubbert's work for them? Deleting posts certainly has nothing to do with being misleading....it is more like  retrieving the pearls after they've been dropped and no one seems capable of undestanding that they are indeed pearls.

What does 1890 have to do with anything? The first credible "end of oil" was claimed in 1886, so if that claim by JP Lesley is what you're referring to, you are off by a few years.

Quote from: TDoSI don't recall ever brandishing a weapon at a deputy or county official in my life, did you actually DO this and suffer the consequences of it? Or was this just a hypothetical?

I did say also "meter reader or similar". You recounted running someone off the property
with a firearm and landing in legal trouble for it. My point is at that time it didn't come under an agenda category of crime to make it fit, make it stick, or you would unlikely have gone free.

Oh my goodness yes, I certainly ran someone not off my property, but out of the very trailer we lived in! At like 2AM after they broke in. Where you live, is it illegal to defend ones home from folks breaking in? The legal trouble wasn't mine in that case but theirs. And there was nothing to "go free" from. I wasn't arrested or even hassled by the police, I did have to testify in court though. 

If by "legal trouble" you are referring to another incident involving perfectly reasonable defense of ones person using a firearm, again, is self defense not permitted where you live? Because here in America, it is perfectly legal.

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenImagine stating during questioning that a 5 year old would need to be severely retarded to not know they would be hurt if they fell 4-5 ft onto a tiled floor. A tribunal panel of legal experts and a PhD psychologist then state you called someone "a retard" as one of many false misquotations in their reasons against your evidence. Mental Retardation being a clinical term the psychologist on the panel and signing off must be familiar with.  All mammals having an innate fear of falling, clearly saying "severe mental retardation refers to profound developmental delay. And so on up in the 🦘 kangaroo court system.

imagine if we all made up scenarios and pretended that the exception was the rule. Good thing exceptions are exceptions, and not the rule.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen

Quote from: TDoSBoy did YOU miss all the really COOL doomer stuff of the early 21st century. Where were you, this stuff was everywhere, the Diner had some of those folks who just LOVED Planet X and some of the more entertaining ones. Can you imagine, back then China going down the tubes was considered a near given, as opposed to battling the US for global economic dominance. It was all over the Diner, did you miss it? Were you locked up somewhere or didn't have internet available?

RE insisted China is toast, counter to my own opinion they were and are thriving. Even here, what happened to Evergreen collapse?

I don't know what an evergreen collapse is. Did a pine tree fall on your house?

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenGiven that most people were not deleting all their posts on the diner, do a search of the old archives and show anyone saying Planet X was going to knock 🌎 Earth out of orbit.

Given that the Diner no longer exists and therefore there ARE NO POSTS AT ALL, I'm not sure what you're getting at? i simply evacuated the burning building early.

Someone sure did like Planet X and Nirubu big time back in the day! You seriously don't think the Diner was the only place attracting folks who vanished into the ether when it turned out that peak oil came and went, Mayan calendar day came and went, and the world just...kept...spinning...do you?

If you remember the Diner, you remember the level of activity through time. It got big when folks could be talked into the world ending, and when it didn't, wasn't getting bigger. It wasn't because the place was burning down, but because the world burning down turned into economic boom times after the 2005 peak oil, and the 2006 one, and the 2008 one, and so on and so forth. It was boredom. Doom never came. If you compare that, to the modern version, even the big and well known ones like peakoil.com, and TOD, the enthusiasm seems to have vanished into Qanon and other interesting topics rather than the REAL problems the planet has.

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenI also recall soneones expressed dislike for the farm life.

Damn straight. You want it, you keepit. I didn't even know how bad it was until I went to college. You want to scratch your life out of the dirt in the holler, have at it and enjoy. But don't expect all of us who lived that life to join you once we've escaped. Selling poverty is harder than selling peak oil consequences nowadays, 7 years after it finally happened.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 16, 2025, 05:12 PMRE insisted China is toast, counter to my own opinion they were and are thriving. Even here, what happened to Evergreen collapse?

Thriving?  Tell that to the graduates looking for jobs.

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/08/15/multimedia/2023-08-15-china-unemployment-chart-index/2023-08-15-china-unemployment-chart-index-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600.png)

Not doing too well making new Chinese either.

(https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2022/12/ft_2022.12.5_china-population_02.png)

Speaking of Evergrande...

(https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/33788.jpeg)

The only thing keeping China's property market from imploding is state intervention on a massive scale.  For somebody who doesn't like big goobermint, I find your enthusiasm somewhat hypocritical.  You don't get bigger than the CCP.

RE

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 16, 2025, 07:02 PM

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 16, 2025, 05:12 PMYou seem to be wandering farther afield than I can follow. What is an alphabet soup agency, are you referring to the USGS and Hubbert's work for them?


CIA, DHS, FBI, ICE, etc. Alphabet agency is a common colloquialism, you should be familiar with given they are your federal govt


Deleting posts certainly has nothing to do with being misleading....it is more like  retrieving the pearls after they've been dropped and no one seems capable of undestanding that they are indeed pearls.

Which you would not be dropping for free then, fitting with talking about what easy money it is, posting for some govt entity. Quite aside from being able to deny you said anything people remember you saying, unless you were quoted if everything is deleted.

What does 1890 have to do with anything? The first credible "end of oil" was claimed in 1886, so if that claim by JP Lesley is what you're referring to, you are off by a few years.

You didn't mention JP Lesley in your answer to the question when was peak oil, if so many other dates are wrong because the wells didnt all run dry in the given year. I guess if extraction in 1890 exceeded dinosaur 🦕 🦖 decomposition and compression, you would have been right.


Oh my goodness yes, I certainly ran someone not off my property, but out of the very trailer we lived in! At like 2AM after they broke in. Where you live, is it illegal to defend ones home from folks breaking in? The legal trouble wasn't mine in that case but theirs. And there was nothing to "go free" from. I wasn't arrested or even hassled by the police, I did have to testify in court though. 

If by "legal trouble" you are referring to another incident involving perfectly reasonable defense of ones person using a firearm, again, is self defense not permitted where you live? Because here in America, it is perfectly legal.


You said you were but a teenager when you had to lawyer up and got away by a whisker of going to jail for it. If that is consistent with either incident mentioned today, puzzle solved.


imagine if we all made up scenarios and pretended that the exception was the rule. Good thing exceptions are exceptions, and not the rule.


That is not a made up scenario and the corrupt functionaries involved are corrupt day after day week after week, month after month, year after year.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen

Quote from: TDoSI don't know what an evergreen collapse is. Did a pine tree fall on your house?

By 'here' I meant this website as opposed to the old Diner discussion of China. I suppose since the Chinese real estate conglomerate taking down the entire Chinese market and economy didn't happen just as I believed it would not, Evergrande was forgotten and autocorrects algorithm thinks Im shopping 🛒 for one of your xmas trees.


Given that the Diner no longer exists and therefore there ARE NO POSTS AT ALL, I'm not sure what you're getting at? i simply evacuated the burning building early.

Theres a "legacy portal". RE probably saved the entire contents to microfish and 5" floppy disc so you can use your TRS80's TDOS.  Use  MSDOS for the web portal.

Someone sure did like Planet X and Nirubu big time back in the day!

Whoever they were probably wore 👟 shoes. If you were on whatever forum with them and also wear 👠 shoes you are as good as being one and the same. Thats  the basis of this whole line of reasoning after all.


You seriously don't think the Diner was the only place attracting folks who vanished into the ether when it turned out that peak oil came and went, Mayan calendar day came and went, and the world just...kept...spinning...do you?

They largely got bored with telling you peak oil does not mean empty bowsers everywhere on a given day of cataclysm. The pattern of events we see unfolding fits my expectations at least. Ill wager that membership was larger not smaller in 2013 meaning nobody was disappointed on 21/12/2012. 

If you remember the Diner, you remember the level of activity through time. It got big when folks could be talked into the world ending, and when it didn't, wasn't getting bigger. It wasn't because the place was burning down, but because the world burning down turned into economic boom times after the 2005 peak oil, and the 2006 one, and the 2008 one, and so on and so forth. It was boredom. Doom never came.


It was personality and political differences, to put it politely.


If you compare that, to the modern version, even the big and well known ones like peakoil.com, and TOD, the enthusiasm seems to have vanished into Qanon and other interesting topics rather than the REAL problems the planet has.

Qanon was supposedly Donald Trump, and the fools believing it were all Trump supporters. You could have found them on The Burning Platform and Kunstler commentary. I wasn't aware oil price and TOD were 'far right'.

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Damn straight. You want it, you keepit. I didn't even know how bad it was until I went to college. You want to scratch your life out of the dirt in the holler, have at it and enjoy. But don't expect all of us who lived that life to join you once we've escaped. Selling poverty is harder than selling peak oil consequences nowadays, 7 years after it finally happened.

Who does the lasooing then?

no need to answer that, this is only getting circular

Quote from: RE on Apr 16, 2025, 10:51 PM

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 16, 2025, 05:12 PMRE insisted China is toast, counter to my own opinion they were and are thriving. Even here, what happened to Evergreen collapse?

Thriving?  Tell that to the graduates looking for jobs.

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/08/15/multimedia/2023-08-15-china-unemployment-chart-index/2023-08-15-china-unemployment-chart-index-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600.png)

Not doing too well making new Chinese either.

(https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2022/12/ft_2022.12.5_china-population_02.png)

Speaking of Evergrande...

(https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/33788.jpeg)

The only thing keeping China's property market from imploding is state intervention on a massive scale.  For somebody who doesn't like big goobermint, I find your enthusiasm somewhat hypocritical.  You don't get bigger than the CCP.

RE

Youth unemployment on that rate is everywhere, not only China. Given how high tech and leading in AI they are, its not surprising if their jobs are automated. Ive always said don't go to university for anything not at least reasonably in demand and then complain when youre a barista instead of barrister. way too many Marketing degrees and 'project managers'.

Gen Z mostly don't care about the stock crash Seems a lot of them are aware of and waiting for a real crash.

If overpopulation is a problem, a correction on that isn't bad. One reason China don't  have behind it like us is gender war. Theres an unwanted, unnecessary and intrusive govt agenda.

One thing I am not is an Anarcho-capitalist, as in my opinion would lead to corporatism. Thats a highly criticised concept by eg Noam Chomsky, so Im not alone in the skepticism. The handling of Evergrande vs Lehman Bros is night and day. Its the same type of subprime lending responsible, except in the US the houses mostly existed. Evergrande was killed deliberately by the CPC along with other companies that got to 100 billion$  in debt or more. Evergrande was the largest Real Estate developer in the world. The chinese market was a tulip mania and I think is about 400$/week for just a single room studio apartment in a major city. What other country has managed to halt that and stabilize prices? Theirs is a civilization of collectivist and mercantile ethos. I won't  complain about a too big so needs to fail action instead of a too big to fail one.

The US had high unemployment in the 1930s following on from the 1920s boom. That didn't mean anything in terms of its rise to be the most wealthy and powerful country across most of the 20th C. The US was thriving, the same way China is now. Making that observation does not mean I endorse everything done by its govt. You can look at the time it took to build things then vs now as to the efficiency of it and look also at its size and spending then and now.

I don't equate hardship with an unhealthy society or civilization. Community and culture comes out of that, especially where govt is not providing anything. The strongest social arrangements are the ones that guarantees survival. Its obvious with immigrants who arrive from places with hard survival and rapidly get ahead.

Assuming an ongoing functioning economy and infrastructure, as an Anarchist accepting the reality of the State, I don't want a system of privatisation of services such as healthcare.  I want a govt that is surveilled and monitored instead of the other way around. I doubt postwar Japan or Germany under occupation had any more govt than necessary allowed. Thats the probable way we will be rid of tyranny too.

Quote from: RE on Apr 16, 2025, 10:51 PMThe only thing keeping China's property market from imploding is state intervention on a massive scale.  For somebody who doesn't like big goobermint, I find your enthusiasm somewhat hypocritical.  You don't get bigger than the CCP.
RE

China being "toast", a decade or so back on the diner, wasn't really presented as a narrow statement, it tended to more inclusive of overall economic decline/demise. "Demise" being more appropriate to the idea of "toast" probably.  Your statement preceded by "the only thing keeping...." is itself an indication that it certainly isn't toast yet for at least one reason, and there could be others that none of our amateur analysis is aware of.

This has great similarity to early 21st century peak oil claims. While many proclaimed peak and the end, others, better understanding of the systems and sciences involved, weren't even breaking a sweat, and were happy to tell folks why. The Chinese seemed to have kept their secret to themselves to date, although us amateurs are certainly allowed to speculate.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen on Apr 16, 2025, 11:16 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 16, 2025, 07:02 PMYou seem to be wandering farther afield than I can follow. What is an alphabet soup agency, are you referring to the USGS and Hubbert's work for them?

CIA, DHS, FBI, ICE, etc. Alphabet agency is a common colloquialism, you should be familiar with given they are your federal govt

If you are American, they are yours as well.

Quote from: TDoSDeleting posts certainly has nothing to do with being misleading....it is more like  retrieving the pearls after they've been dropped and no one seems capable of undestanding that they are indeed pearls.

Quote from: Goldernen OxernenWhich you would not be dropping for free then, fitting with talking about what easy money it is, posting for some govt entity.

Please can we keep silly conspiracies to a minimum?. I have never in my life posted on behalf of a government agency. Period. You are allowed to hallucinate such things of course, but it isn't true and never has been.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen
Quite aside from being able to deny you said anything people remember you saying, unless you were quoted if everything is deleted.

Well that is true. Good thing I am happy to repeat myself when people remember some snippet and ask me to answer the question again. The good thing about telling the truth though is you don't need to remember what I said, as it is personal experience and I just say it again. Easier for me of course as they are my personal experience, as compared to someone wishing they could actually remember what I said.

Quote from: Goldernen Oxernen

Quote from: TDoS
What does 1890 have to do with anything? The first credible "end of oil" was claimed in 1886, so if that claim by JP Lesley is what you're referring to, you are off by a few years.

You didn't mention JP Lesley in your answer to the question when was peak oil, if so many other dates are wrong because the wells didnt all run dry in the given year. I guess if extraction in 1890 exceeded dinosaur 🦕 🦖 decomposition and compression, you would have been right.

I mentioned JP Lesley because you brought up something about peak oil from the distant past, and that is almost as distant as it gets for peak oilers. Any peak oiler worth their salt knows this.

Your representation of the thermogenic process that creates oil and gas is entertaining. And proves a point I often make, how in the HECK is someone to know anything about peak oil when they don't even know where or when it came from, was found, was developed, the kerogen types and all the rest of the geochemistry. They just substitute...DEAD DINOSAURS. tsk tsk. No wonder they got it so wrong a couple decades ago. And in 1990. And 1956. And 1943. And 1936. And 1919. Etc etc, back to JP Lesley.

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If by "legal trouble" you are referring to another incident involving perfectly reasonable defense of ones person using a firearm, again, is self defense not permitted where you live? Because here in America, it is perfectly legal.

You said you were but a teenager when you had to lawyer up and got away by a whisker of going to jail for it. If that is consistent with either incident mentioned today, puzzle solved.

That's the story. I don't talk about it much. Why is it relevant to you? You are now confused as to how someone with such a record could jive with your working for an alphabet soup agency? Can you see what the background check after that exercise would look like?

CIA (circa2005): Man, this guy knows a BUNCH of this peak oil happening tomorrow afternoon oil nonsense, we should hire him to front for us on all those blogs that might reveal the secret that went down in the Twin Towers! Mike Ruppert has exposed us!

(Background check)

CIA: Holy BatCrap! He defended himself resulting in bad news for the other guy! We can't have someone capable of such lawful acts working for our squeaky clean expert division to sow disinformation in no-name internet clubs!

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Given that the Diner no longer exists and therefore there ARE NO POSTS AT ALL, I'm not sure what you're getting at? i simply evacuated the burning building early.

Theres a "legacy portal". RE probably saved the entire contents to microfish and 5" floppy disc so you can use your TRS80's TDOS.  Use  MSDOS for the web portal.

Beyond my computer skills. I'm just an oil guy. K-Dog and RE can experiment all they'd like with old computers and whatnot to keep their history alive as long as they are, I specialize in knowing stuff about oil and gas and the future.

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The pattern of events we see unfolding fits my expectations at least. Ill wager that membership was larger not smaller in 2013 meaning nobody was disappointed on 21/12/2012. 

Without knowing your posting history, and I don't because I have primarily focused on those who didn't know much about the geosciences and apply what they don't know enthusiastically, I'm glad what you expected is happening. Same with me and oil. So it sounds like...WE WIN!

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Quote from: TDoSDamn straight. You want it, you keepit. I didn't even know how bad it was until I went to college. You want to scratch your life out of the dirt in the holler, have at it and enjoy. But don't expect all of us who lived that life to join you once we've escaped. Selling poverty is harder than selling peak oil consequences nowadays, 7 years after it finally happened.

Who does the lasooing then?

I don't know what lasooing is. That thing you do from a horse to catch a cow? Peak oil interest died awhile ago, even before it finally happened in 2018. <yawn> I now work on other aspects of resource development.

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 17, 2025, 07:49 AMChina being "toast", a decade or so back on the diner, wasn't really presented as a narrow statement, it tended to more inclusive of overall economic decline/demise.

My "China is TOAST" tag line is a broad statement that goes beyond just economics to environmental, ecological and social problems as well.

(https://www.artsourceonline.com/DesktopModules/Revindex.Dnn.RevindexStorefront/Portals/0/Gallery/7cbeeaf6-1743-403b-b692-230b5ae9824d.jpg)

 In China, the water you drink is as dangerous as the air you breathe (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jun/02/china-water-dangerous-pollution-greenpeace).

These findings come from our new water quality report, which found water pollution levels in China's other major cities are also extremely high. In Beijing, 39.9% of water was so polluted that it was essentially functionless. In Tianjin, northern China's principal port city and home to 15 million people, a mere 4.9% of water is usable as a drinking water source.
....
Across China, access to drinkable water is not just a quality of life issue, it's about survival. There have been reports of local authorities digging deeper wells to reach drinkable water, which has become harder to come by as 80% of groundwater from major river basins is "unsuitable for human contact".


The problems with the water have knock on effects extend to the food supply and energy production.   

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/how-chinas-water-challenges-could-lead-global-food-and-supply-chain-crisis

China is on the brink of a water catastrophe that could have devastating consequences for global food security, energy markets and supply chains. The 2022 drought, which mainly impacted China's Sichuan province, offered an uncomfortable preview of what the future could bring if water supplies continue to run dry: Low reservoir levels slashed hydroelectricity output, which in turn forced power rationing to major industrial consumers such as metals and battery producers and electronics assemblers
....

Beijing has the dubious distinction of being the capital of the world's second-largest economy, while having per capita water supplies that have fallen to a level on par with those of cities near Chile's Atacama Desert — the driest place on Earth

Besides the water pollution issues, the air quality problems are legendary.  Pictures are better than words on this one.

(https://www.asiapacific.ca/sites/default/files/styles/apf_social/public/keystone_26.jpg?itok=BeiHaUlQ)

(https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/bf436105f9ab8fb833eba701ff5cb26b?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=844&cropW=1500&xPos=0&yPos=0&width=862&height=485)



While all the industrial countries have demographic problems due to falling birthrates, China's are particularly severe due to the ageing population and the years of the one-child policy, which resulted in a preponderance of male children.

China is far from alone in facing the problem of too many old people and too few young workers to support them. But unlike western nations, it is getting old before it has got rich. The scale of the challenge and the speed at which it is arriving are extraordinary, thanks in large part to the decades of birth restrictions known as the one-child policy. It also means that fewer retirees are able to count on their kids supporting them.

Unlike Western countries which are making up for falling birth rates with immigration, China's population is already shrinking.  This means more retirees and fewer people of working age, for whom there are no jobs anyhow.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/18/the-guardian-view-on-chinas-ageing-population-an-economic-and-social-conundrum

Like the west China has played the extend & pretend game issuing vast quantities of debt much of which doesn't appear on the books because it's contained in the shadow banking system.  Combined with their real estate problem, it lurks in the background and with the global problems being created by Trump's tariff war could jump out of the closet if economic growth stalls.''

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/22/business/china-economy-trusts-zhongrong-zhongzhi.html

Now, given the arrival of the Trumperator on the scene in Amerika, in the race to the bottom of the burnt toaster bin, the FSoA may have now edged ahead of China as toast.  The prognosis is not too good for anyone these days.  A grass hut on the beach of Bora Bora has real appeal.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_IJ3PYSsqTS93T1HpvCM7kpH4wIBA8jsX3g&s)

RE

Quote from: RE on Apr 17, 2025, 12:13 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 17, 2025, 07:49 AMChina being "toast", a decade or so back on the diner, wasn't really presented as a narrow statement, it tended to more inclusive of overall economic decline/demise.

My "China is TOAST" tag line is a broad statement that goes beyond just economics to environmental, ecological and social problems as well.

(https://www.artsourceonline.com/DesktopModules/Revindex.Dnn.RevindexStorefront/Portals/0/Gallery/7cbeeaf6-1743-403b-b692-230b5ae9824d.jpg)

 In China, the water you drink is as dangerous as the air you breathe (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jun/02/china-water-dangerous-pollution-greenpeace).

These findings come from our new water quality report, which found water pollution levels in China's other major cities are also extremely high. In Beijing, 39.9% of water was so polluted that it was essentially functionless. In Tianjin, northern China's principal port city and home to 15 million people, a mere 4.9% of water is usable as a drinking water source.
....
Across China, access to drinkable water is not just a quality of life issue, it's about survival. There have been reports of local authorities digging deeper wells to reach drinkable water, which has become harder to come by as 80% of groundwater from major river basins is "unsuitable for human contact".


The problems with the water have knock on effects extend to the food supply and energy production.   

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/how-chinas-water-challenges-could-lead-global-food-and-supply-chain-crisis

China is on the brink of a water catastrophe that could have devastating consequences for global food security, energy markets and supply chains. The 2022 drought, which mainly impacted China's Sichuan province, offered an uncomfortable preview of what the future could bring if water supplies continue to run dry: Low reservoir levels slashed hydroelectricity output, which in turn forced power rationing to major industrial consumers such as metals and battery producers and electronics assemblers
....

Beijing has the dubious distinction of being the capital of the world's second-largest economy, while having per capita water supplies that have fallen to a level on par with those of cities near Chile's Atacama Desert — the driest place on Earth

Besides the water pollution issues, the air quality problems are legendary.  Pictures are better than words on this one.

(https://www.asiapacific.ca/sites/default/files/styles/apf_social/public/keystone_26.jpg?itok=BeiHaUlQ)

(https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/bf436105f9ab8fb833eba701ff5cb26b?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=844&cropW=1500&xPos=0&yPos=0&width=862&height=485)



While all the industrial countries have demographic problems due to falling birthrates, China's are particularly severe due to the ageing population and the years of the one-child policy, which resulted in a preponderance of male children.

China is far from alone in facing the problem of too many old people and too few young workers to support them. But unlike western nations, it is getting old before it has got rich. The scale of the challenge and the speed at which it is arriving are extraordinary, thanks in large part to the decades of birth restrictions known as the one-child policy. It also means that fewer retirees are able to count on their kids supporting them.

Unlike Western countries which are making up for falling birth rates with immigration, China's population is already shrinking.  This means more retirees and fewer people of working age, for whom there are no jobs anyhow.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/18/the-guardian-view-on-chinas-ageing-population-an-economic-and-social-conundrum

Like the west China has played the extend & pretend game issuing vast quantities of debt much of which doesn't appear on the books because it's contained in the shadow banking system.  Combined with their real estate problem, it lurks in the background and with the global problems being created by Trump's tariff war could jump out of the closet if economic growth stalls.''

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/22/business/china-economy-trusts-zhongrong-zhongzhi.html

Now, given the arrival of the Trumperator on the scene in Amerika, in the race to the bottom of the burnt toaster bin, the FSoA may have now edged ahead of China as toast.  The prognosis is not too good for anyone these days.  A grass hut on the beach of Bora Bora has real appeal.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_IJ3PYSsqTS93T1HpvCM7kpH4wIBA8jsX3g&s)

RE
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Quote from: RE on Apr 17, 2025, 12:13 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 17, 2025, 07:49 AMChina being "toast", a decade or so back on the diner, wasn't really presented as a narrow statement, it tended to more inclusive of overall economic decline/demise.

My "China is TOAST" tag line is a broad statement that goes beyond just economics to environmental, ecological and social problems as well.

(https://www.artsourceonline.com/DesktopModules/Revindex.Dnn.RevindexStorefront/Portals/0/Gallery/7cbeeaf6-1743-403b-b692-230b5ae9824d.jpg)

 In China, the water you drink is as dangerous as the air you breathe (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jun/02/china-water-dangerous-pollution-greenpeace).

These findings come from our new water quality report, which found water pollution levels in China's other major cities are also extremely high. In Beijing, 39.9% of water was so polluted that it was essentially functionless. In Tianjin, northern China's principal port city and home to 15 million people, a mere 4.9% of water is usable as a drinking water source.
....
Across China, access to drinkable water is not just a quality of life issue, it's about survival. There have been reports of local authorities digging deeper wells to reach drinkable water, which has become harder to come by as 80% of groundwater from major river basins is "unsuitable for human contact".


The problems with the water have knock on effects extend to the food supply and energy production.   

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/how-chinas-water-challenges-could-lead-global-food-and-supply-chain-crisis

China is on the brink of a water catastrophe that could have devastating consequences for global food security, energy markets and supply chains. The 2022 drought, which mainly impacted China's Sichuan province, offered an uncomfortable preview of what the future could bring if water supplies continue to run dry: Low reservoir levels slashed hydroelectricity output, which in turn forced power rationing to major industrial consumers such as metals and battery producers and electronics assemblers
....

Beijing has the dubious distinction of being the capital of the world's second-largest economy, while having per capita water supplies that have fallen to a level on par with those of cities near Chile's Atacama Desert — the driest place on Earth

Besides the water pollution issues, the air quality problems are legendary.  Pictures are better than words on this one.

(https://www.asiapacific.ca/sites/default/files/styles/apf_social/public/keystone_26.jpg?itok=BeiHaUlQ)

(https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/bf436105f9ab8fb833eba701ff5cb26b?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=844&cropW=1500&xPos=0&yPos=0&width=862&height=485)



While all the industrial countries have demographic problems due to falling birthrates, China's are particularly severe due to the ageing population and the years of the one-child policy, which resulted in a preponderance of male children.

China is far from alone in facing the problem of too many old people and too few young workers to support them. But unlike western nations, it is getting old before it has got rich. The scale of the challenge and the speed at which it is arriving are extraordinary, thanks in large part to the decades of birth restrictions known as the one-child policy. It also means that fewer retirees are able to count on their kids supporting them.

Unlike Western countries which are making up for falling birth rates with immigration, China's population is already shrinking.  This means more retirees and fewer people of working age, for whom there are no jobs anyhow.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/18/the-guardian-view-on-chinas-ageing-population-an-economic-and-social-conundrum

Like the west China has played the extend & pretend game issuing vast quantities of debt much of which doesn't appear on the books because it's contained in the shadow banking system.  Combined with their real estate problem, it lurks in the background and with the global problems being created by Trump's tariff war could jump out of the closet if economic growth stalls.''

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/22/business/china-economy-trusts-zhongrong-zhongzhi.html

Now, given the arrival of the Trumperator on the scene in Amerika, in the race to the bottom of the burnt toaster bin, the FSoA may have now edged ahead of China as toast.  The prognosis is not too good for anyone these days.  A grass hut on the beach of Bora Bora has real appeal.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_IJ3PYSsqTS93T1HpvCM7kpH4wIBA8jsX3g&s)

RE

BAU is unsustainable, but  boom taking a downturn is doom.  A lot of these are the same things said about China since the 90s.

They're building empty cities so toast.  no now they have a real estate problem. Just like adult kids living with parents in western countries, chinese who cant find work to pay high rent in the city move back to the country and live with family.


Nobody is dying of thirst from the water. Nobody is poisoned enough to make a dent in lifespan and have a lot of birth defect or premature death. I never got sick eating in China.
They cleaned up air quality a lot. Water rights in other countries were bought long ago, including the Great Lakes.

Full employment is doom because of limits to growth and resources with BAU being unsustainable. 20% youth unemployment in a recession is NO jobs. A shrinking population to track any job losses is also a problem, because the young need to pay for a totally different culture and system of care. Do they rely on a 401k and social security, or do they just come in from working in the fields and get looked after by adult children, the way it was done for millenia? No artificial life extension except maybe glycerine pills for blood pressure. Has china started opening nursing homes and a ton of assistance for staying at home. Yes, and without the ridiculous expense of our care facilities. Do they have robots  who don't strain their back helping grandma get out of bed in a new care home?

Is a gender imbalance of a few million young men from 1 child policy a great benefit for going into war?

 
Even in the west, the boomers are dying without bankrupting the system and the following generations were supposed to be too small in number to support them. Turns out boomer care is not much of a slice of the debt pie after all when the family homes get signed over. Once again people coming from hardship do the work and wipe the white geezer asses for 22$/hr and still send money home to their own family.

Last time I checked, it was poor Chinese who were flying across the Pacific and crossing the jungle on foot in the Darien Gap to migrate to Amerika and not poor Amerikans flying to Tibet to crosss the Himalayas on fooot to migrate into China.  It's also rich Chinese buying McMansions to live  as expats in Seattle, not rich Americans buying condos to live as expats in Beijing.  So I'm not sure the Chinese themsellves are quite as impressed by life in China as you seem to be.

I will grant you though that the family structure in China hasn't collapsed as thoroughly as is the case here in the land of good and plenty, and their socialized medical system and care for the elderly is probably better, since it would be hard to do worse on this than here, besides Nigeria and Sudan anyhow.

It's tough to say which side of the pond the toast is smoking more, since the spin down is being handled by such disparate systems.  Solely on the economic level, both countries are so interdependent that it doesn't matter much who toasts first, the other will shortly follow.

RE

QuoteIt's also rich Chinese buying McMansions to live as expats in Seattle, not rich Americans buying condos to live as expats in Beijing.

I am in their preferred zip code.  As you know.  You have been here.

Citizenship has been for sale for years.

Quote from: K-Dog on Apr 18, 2025, 04:59 PMI am in their preferred zip code.  As you know.  You have been here.

That's why I chose Seattle to use in my example. :)

RE

Hating Harvard and the rest of the Ivy League universities is as core to the MAGA credo as being anti-abortion, anti gun control, anti-welfare and anti-queer.  As every good gun toting redneck with the Stars & Bars decorating his pickup truck knows, they are stuffed with elite liberal intellectual commie pinko nigger loving faggots and pedophiles.  Harvard will have a tough time bringing these folks in to support academic freedom with a PR campaign. lol.

Despite the fact that bringing beer swilling Billy Bob 6 Pack on board is unlikely, it is true that Harvard can bring a whole lot of pressure to bear, particularly on the business & legal end.  The bar association would be one place to start, litigating to have Trumps lawyers disbarred for systemic  corruption.  Harvard hedge fund traders could short the living shit out of Trump biznesses, along with a dozen or so Harvard B-school grads running private equity firms.  I'm sure they could get a few theoretical physicists to work up some nasty trading algorithms to predict his market manipulations, he's using tricks that are as old as JP Morgan and Cornelius Vanderbilt to juice and kill stocks.

Anyhow, the big fight is definitely coming.  He's apparently going to try to have Powell sacked as head of Da Fed.  This will not sit well with the Illuminati.  The fun begins.

If Harvard, armor-plated by history and padded with funds, can't beat Trump, no one can

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/18/trump-harvard-university-endowment

RE

Quote from: RE on Apr 19, 2025, 12:36 AMAnyhow, the big fight is definitely coming.  He's apparently going to try to have Powell sacked as head of Da Fed.  This will not sit well with the Illuminati.  The fun begins.

RE

I completely agree. And find it ironic. After all these decades of waiting around for something (lack of resources, climate change, China collapsing, chemtrails, a US draft and all the cool LATOC originated stuff) that might bump the status quo of American life off its axis, even a little, the one that really COULD cause some of the outcomes we've breathlessly hyperventilated endlessly about over those decades, current politics arguably has a far better chance of actually CREATING one.

Quote from: TDoS on Apr 19, 2025, 06:57 AMI completely agree.

Hell just froze over.  lol.

I've always looked at collapse wholistically, having all sorts of social, economic and political repercussions that spin out along the way, and the descent into fascism and the rise of a populist wannabe dictator is one of them.  It's not so simple as the lights just flicking off one day.

Real chaos at some point takes a match to light the dry tinder, and in this case the matchstick is a corpulent septugenarian with an orange head.  The man is walking, talking, tweeting chaos in anthropomorphic form.

Not gonna jump the gun here and gloat too much though, because we still have quite a ways to go before we get real mayhem out of this, how that will manifest itself remains to be seen.  Where will the metaphorical (or literal) bullet come from that pushes this over the cliff?

For you conspiracy theorists out there, of all the agencies in the Federal goobermint, which are the two that El Trumpo has NOT touched?  You guessed it, the CIA and the NSA.  Both agencies are loaded with the Skull & Bones boys from Yale, as you know Bush1 was head of the CIA.  Plenty of Harvard alumni recruited as well.  I can just about guarantee the responses coming won't strictly be reported in the media and ocurring in the courthouse.  The Black Bag Boys will be enlisted for some sort of dirty tricks.

The gloves are off.  You don't bring a knife to a gunfight, and these folks have not played fair for generations.  Trump is a rookie in this game.  He's a PeeWee football quarterback against a NFL front line.  The Purple People Eaters are on the other side.

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RE