Quote from: RE on Today at 01:53 PMThe UN is worthless as global goobermint because:

Of course. And because humans can't even agree to have a reasonable way to agree on global issues....no issue will ever be solved globally.

Quote from: REThe consequences are of course moving along at different rates in different places, but all are moving in the same direction, as in getting worse.  It's true we likely won't be around to see the denoument of climate change, but we're already here to witness the End of the Beginning, if not the Beginning of the End (thank you Illuminati Scumbag Winston Churchill).  I'm satisfied with that.

But the history of doomsleuthing has been going on long enough now (itself an interesting topic on innoculating humans from yet another and another and another that didn't pan out) that folks don't believe something has ended, or something is beginning, or anything is happening at all, or everything is happening everywhere all at once, or pick your combination.

And then the internet comes along and pours gasoline on every half baked idiot's ideas that comes down the pike (David Ickes anyone?) and 50% of the human population being below average in intelligence.....right off the bat you slmost have a majority buying in.  Take a single PhD to lead the charge (Colin Campbell anyone?) and you have a movement. FLEE! PEAK OIL! MAYAN CALENDAR! YELLOWTONE GOING BOOM! ALIEN ENERGY WEAPONS BROUGHT DOWN THE TWIN TOWERS ON 9/11!

Quote from: REThere's nothing permanent, but in terms of it's lifespan for supporting life, the Earth is in it's senescence.  It took 4B years for life to evolve and only for the last 200K or so has there been self-aware (I won't say intelligent) life.

Bipedalism ancestors date back 6 million years. Stone tools, and by extension the brains it tok to make them, are dated back 3.4 million, with systematic and widespread evidence by 2.6 million years ago. So yes self aware for quite a bit longer than 200k. Bipeds making tools? Intelligent enough to become us.

Quote from: REThere's only maybe 300M years left before it will be burned to a crisp.

The Sun isn't expanding quite that fast yet, so what does "burned to a crisp" mean? Those Siberian Traps refiring up? Because a hotter atmosphere is just a hotter atmosphere, humans might not make it but other species will lap it up. The Dinosaurs LOVED a warmer atmosphere.

Quote from: RENot enough time for another round.  It's just kind of sad to see it crash and burn so quickly.  Kind of hard to fathom what the purpose of the whole thing was.
RE

Depends on one's beliefs. Churchy types figure they've already got this problem clocked. Folks who abandoned religion the instant they figured out it wasn't as advertised might not care about the purpose of it, because it doesn't exist. We are no different than megalodon in trying to figure out a purpose....megalodon was to eat stuff until there was no stuff left to eat. Then it would become extinct. Humans purpose is to subjugate the earth, excrete waste, and do it until they become extinct. A mindless self interest no different than megalodon in the end.

Clever monkeys have zero requirement to end up any different than other species. Megalodon made it 20 million years. Bipedalism has been around only 6-7 million. Only humans are egotistical enough to think we are anything special.

The UN is worthless as global goobermint because:

A- It has no enforcement power
B- It has no taxation power

No independent source of income and no way to punish folks who don't follow the rules.

The consequences are of course moving along at different rates in different places, but all are moving in the same direction, as in getting worse.  It's true we likely won't be around to see the denoument of climate change, but we're already here to witness the End of the Beginning, if not the Beginning of the End (thank you Illuminati Scumbag Winston Churchill).  I'm satisfied with that.

There's nothing permanent, but in terms of it's lifespan for supporting life, the Earth is in it's senescence.  It took 4B years for life to evolve and only for the last 200K or so has there been self-aware (I won't say intelligent) life.  There's only maybe 300M years left before it will be burned to a crisp.  Not enough time for another round.  It's just kind of sad to see it crash and burn so quickly.  Kind of hard to fathom what the purpose of the whole thing was.

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Quote from: K-Dog on Today at 10:10 AM

What people don't get is that the current level of climate fubar is permanent.

Climate fubar is NEVER permanent. Ask any geologist. 40-50 million years ago present day Seattle was a nearshore, underwater environment. 15000 years ago Seattle was under 1/2 mile of ice. 50 million years ago Anchorage would be sitting in the current vicinity of southern British Columbia and the Pacific Northwest, and probably exist as barely identifiable topography.

Los Angeles will arrive in offshore Alaskan waters in 60 million years, with whatever climate of the time that has moved on from the biped infestation and their brief interruption of the normal life cycle of our planet.

Silly Humans. Tricks are for Kids. There is no climate "permanent" on a planet alive with tectonic activity, regardless of a minor biped infestation.

Quote from: RE on Aug 21, 2026, 10:30 PMI think an even bigger lie is that even many those who understand the science underpinning Climate Change think that if we all got together and agreed it's a real problem and did everything possible to stop it that we still can fix it.

I don't think that is a lie. Some folks actually do believe, others might have believed at one point, that AT SOME POINT IN TIME that progress was being made. As to how many of them of either type is irrelevant. Believers are just believers, they beleive in God to save them, they believe in peak oil because they can't be bothered to learn what it takes to know why even when it finally does happen it won't be the event they think it will be, they believe in whatever nonsense on climate change comes out of their favorite TV channel.

I don't myself believe it is even about BELIEVING, it is about the practical aspect of getting countries of the world to act. The United Nations isn't for shit, all problems and solutions are local, and results of climate change unevenly distributed. Which means some folks are already dying because of it, in some places. Wipe out America west of the Mississippi River and the rest of the world can still just shrug and say "well its because of those westernly winds in America, it won't hurt ANY OF US.

Typical faith based issues.  There is a reason why Apocalypticism is a millinnia old. And arguably has only showed up a time or two, and not even for the reasons claimed, which were usually about the Gods getting angry.

Quote from: REWhat does look increasingly more likely is that ever expanding warfare will destroy the infrastructure necessary for extracting, transporting, refining and burning FFs and global population of Homo Sap will begin its downward spiral until at some point there is less burning of FFs than there is sequestering of carbon through plant life regrowth and the CO2 concentration will start dropping.  This happy day is a long time in the future.  Nearer term, we're thoroughly fucked and it won't get fixed.

I think humans will continue using those fossil fuels just as they have since claims of the new Ice Age was announced back around 1970. We are slowly doing other things, my EV is about to be joined by a new 14kW solar system and whole house battery backup. The battery feeds the house overnight until the Sun comes up in the morning, the size of the battery and usage in the house at night become my only limiting factors on the electrical side.

The world won't change as fast as we like, but I think that rate of change isn't going to offset consequences at this point. But because the outcomes of climate change will not be evenly distributed, the halfwits who think it isn't true will use examples from one side of the outcome distribution, and and the other halfwits will use the other.

People just be people. In the old days it was religion, which is nothing more than a belief system, the best system of social control ever invented by man. Nowadays it is us versus thems, on whatever "it" might be.

And I think my comment stands that for the 3 of us regulars here, personal doom will get us before any actual collapse has the ability to. You can yearn for being around when the real deal arrives all you'd like, but odds are, at best, the 3 of us will only be able to see the windup.

I think an even bigger lie is that even many of those who understand the science underpinning Climate Change think that if we all got together and agreed it's a real problem and did everything possible to stop it that we still can fix it.  The reality is that first off the horse left the barn at least 20 years ago and second there is no political way possible to get every Goobermint and all the people in every country to do what is necessary and 3rd even if that were possible the economic fallout from putting the brakes on the global industrial machine that powers and feeds 8 Billion people would kill nearly as many of them as will die directly from unmitigated climate change.

What does look increasingly more likely is that ever expanding warfare will destroy the infrastructure necessary for extracting, transporting, refining and burning FFs and the global population of Homo Sap will begin its downward spiral until at some point there is less burning of FFs than there is sequestering of carbon through plant life regrowth and the CO2 concentration will start dropping.  This happy day is a long time in the future.  Nearer term, we're thoroughly fucked and it won't get fixed.

RE

Quite outstanding, well written and logical for the dilemma humans are walking into, eyes quite wide open.


The Gargantuan Lie That is Collapsing The World's Climate
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/the-massive-climate-lie-that-will-destroy-human-civilization

Do you ever wonder WTF all the money comes from to loan out to Da Goobermint and the Tech Bros?  You think "investors" have $TRILLIONS$ sitting in their checking accounts to loan out?  Of course not. THEY borrow the money to loan out!  lol.  It's a big circle jerk of TBTF Banks, Sovereign States, Corporations and Hedge Funds all borrowing from each other, and each time a new loan is issued out it becomes the collateral for new money to be printed.

Unfortunately, the money to pay the Interest does NOT get printed up in this circle jerk, and at some point somebodies can't afford to pay the interest and all the expenses they borrow to pay.  As long as the loans keep being issued though, the musical chair game goes on.  It should be obvious to all this pile of debt can never be repaid, but they can't stop the music or the pahhty is OVAH.  Shouldda happened ages ago.  Will it happen under the next POTUS?  WTF knows.

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I doubt Chump  himself has ever pulled the trigger on anyone.  Contracting to have someone terminated on the other hand I would be surprised if he hasn't.  Epstein's "suicide" for instance has always been a little too convenient and easily affordable in his income bracket.  He certainly has both the Organized Crime &/or Black Ops CIA type connections necessary to pull something like that off.

Even without the secret stuff though, there's plenty of innocent Dead People in the public record directly attributable to his directives and protected by the Justice Dept under his control.  Was there ever any proof those fishing boats  he had sunk were drug smugglers?  Even if they were, it's hardly necessary for a Navy gunboat to sink them rather than arrest them.  They could have fired gas cannisters at the boats and forced the sailors to jump overboard.  They could have towed the boats in then arrested them on shore.  Then there are all the ICE deaths, many while in captivity.  Who knows how many dead of those deported to 3rd party countries?

Because he's POTUS, these killings are considered "legal" by the Fascist justice system.  Agents of the state are effectively given a License to Kill.  That doesn't make it any less Serial Killing.  It's a hallmark of Tyranny.

RE