Quote from: RE on Aug 09, 2026, 09:43 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Aug 09, 2026, 02:39 PMA country with a decreasing birthrate can EASILY create the illusion of a population decrease without any doom anywhere.

The empty homes are not an illusion.

Never said they were. Said that COUNTRY LEVEL depopulation has been happening for more than a decade in a fully industrialized country and it sure ain't anything like what has been claimed of "collapse".

Why cheapen the very idea of collapse? I get it you've been waiting like at least 2 decades for something to happen, and there are some good indications of potential floating around, but latching onto a loser like this one?

Just....waiting so long to scratch that itch that you take any bait offered?

EXCELLENT article on the slow motion disaster of "gee what climate change?" below Boulder Dam.

https://www.worldatlas.com/lakes/what-happens-if-lake-powell-and-lake-mead-both-fail.html

Quote from: TDoS on Aug 09, 2026, 02:39 PMA country with a decreasing birthrate can EASILY create the illusion of a population decrease without any doom anywhere.

The empty homes are not an illusion.




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Quote from: REPoor Brown Amerikans.
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If, and looking like "when" Boulder dam has both a power and water issue, is it your opinion that it will effect only the non brown Americans? In Puerto Rico, surrounded by an ocean, water isn't the actual issue at all. The money for desalinization plants might be, but that is a money problem, not a water problem. Boulder Dam however, that could be directly a water problem and can discriminate on wealth rather than skin color.

Quote from: RE on Aug 08, 2026, 07:58 PMI previously responded listing all the countries with declining populations.  You can search for it.
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Sure I can search for it. But I'm not a piecemeal collapse-o-not, I am a BIG TIME COLLAPSER!!!!! You know, like peak oilers were, like you used to be before you voiced this recent "little countries decreasing in population is collapse" angle. The oilers went to full on DOOM, which was picked up by those with similar ideas but using a different mechanism (global cooling in 1970 for example).

A country with a decreasing birthrate can EASILY create the illusion of a population decrease without any doom anywhere. EASY. Which is why country level can't be the metric.

This is Japan's population. Feel free to point out how TERRIBLE this measure of collapse has bothered them otherwise. Bodies piling up in the street? How many are starving each year? Etc etc. Apparently collapse started for them around 2010.....any evidence of anything other than a decreasing population? Bodies piling up in the streets from starvation, ALMOST lack of electricity like your nuke example?

Poor Brown Amerikans.

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I previously responded listing all the countries with declining populations.  You can search for it.

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Quote from: RE on Aug 08, 2026, 03:11 PMWe've been over the population question before.  Most of the large population industrialized countries are in decline the already.

Collapse CAN be a local event. Like Katrina. But that isn't the one Doomers get all worked up over. When you were in full doomer mode with websites and followers and fundage down in South Carolina, is what you were selling was some folks in Eastern Europe having to put up solar panels or NG fired generation to replace electricity from a nuke plant? Because water for coolant was low? No....that wasn't what you were interested in.

The reason you reach for small potatoes is because there aren't any big potato items going on. Or none on a current fuse anyway. Climate change is to slow on your timeframe to be of interest. Peak oils have come and gone a few times without anyone noticing. The US, for all its idiot political crap is still feeding people, oligarches, illegals, retiree's, and those completely dependent on the state. Now THAT one is a criteria I think might be, or should be, most of personal concern. I have the same concern but in a different way. If care of the elderly goes south and contributes to a falling population, I've got to figure out how to care for my mother. Fortunately that is possible for me, but probably not for everyone.

Quote from: REBesides that, it's a lagging indicator.  We won't see a full census of what is going on now until after 2030 when the UN compiles numbers.  We can revisit this in 2031 or so.
RE

Now, lagging indicator is a good angle. Population decrease is always happening, as is population replacement. But for the balance of births to deaths to go net negative would be visible as it happens. So....do we have any indication of people dying at unprecedented, but not yet numerically significant enough to count, events?

Nuke plants MAYBE shutting down certainly ain't it. Russia's war might be s start? Russia seems to be losing quite a few folks. The usual poor countries in Africa perhaps? Anything new there on  a scale that outweighs new births do you think?

We've been over the population question before.  Most of the large population industrialized countries are in decline already. Besides that, it's a lagging indicator.  We won't see a full census of what is going on now until after 2030 when the UN compiles numbers.  We can revisit this in 2031 or so.

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