Quote from: TDoS on Jun 06, 2026, 06:40 AMI wonder what the 20-30k people a year who die from this wonderful substance think about it?
Quote from: RE on Jun 06, 2026, 12:01 AMQuote from: TDoS on Jun 05, 2026, 05:09 PMI don't understand the need/desire to take them leading to incoherence.
Cocaine doesn't make you incoherent, in fact it increases clarity and your speed of thinking.
Quote from: REDr. Williiam Halstead who revolutionized surgery was a coke addict, Steve Jobs said LSD was "one of the two or three most important things I have done in life.", Freud considered cocaine a "wonder drug", and Thomas Edison was addicted to Vin Mariani, a Bordeaux wine treated with coca leaves. As I said before, your perception of all drugs as having the same neurological effects as alcohol is completely wrong.
Quote from: REFar as ANY of them go, it is probably a good idea. Dad was a mean drunk, and as far as enlightenment through drugs, I've been quite happy with mountaintops, racetracks, and the occasional grand western vista.QuoteI will take your word and experience on how drugs can be great. I'll pass.Far as LSD goes for you, that's probably a good idea.
Quote from: RELooking into your unconscious mind would likely lead you to a very bad trip. You might discover what a complete asshole you are.
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Quote from: TDoS on Jun 05, 2026, 05:09 PMI don't understand the need/desire to take them leading to incoherence.
QuoteSo some folks take drugs to hallucinate in ways that just being a normal alkie or junkie can't experience?
QuoteI will take your word and experience on how drugs can be great. I'll pass.







Quote from: RE on Jun 05, 2026, 09:05 AMFar as what Dentists give you for pain, it's usually oxycodone and the dosages they give you aren't enough to get you high. Usually 5mg. I take 10mg oxy 3 times a day, I don't get "woozy" at all and it barely scratches the pain.
Quote from: REWay, way different than hallucinogens, which make you experience things more vividly as well as experience what is going on inside your own unconscious mind, which normally you can't experience.
Quote from: REQuote from: RENot sure how a scientists perspective on drugs is any different than anyone else's, since many scientists use them, probably in similar numbers to the rest of the population.Could be. After a career with them I've never seen it, but it is possible.Quote from: REUntil you try it, it's a complete black box.
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I agree that those lacking experience with a thing, a feeling, a drug, a topic, can't say they have experienced it or maybe even understand it. Its exactly why PhD's can't get peak oil right, or Joe Average thinks they can do an appendectomy in a pinch, or experience on a rifle range as a child qualifies someone as a sniper in survival situations decades later.
Still, some folks think that they understand a topic or skill with no experience.
I will take your word and experience on how drugs can be great. I'll pass.

