It's definitely no coinkidink that Chump started the war right when the heat was turning back up on Epstein.  If Mossad does have Pics or other evidence of his sexual escapades with Jailbait Escorts though, this would be about the  time to leak them.  Problem of course is Chump has the MSM so intimidated even if they get a 250 GB hard drive delivered by FedEx to the editors of the NYT, WaPo and Faux Newz complete with .mov files featuring The Donald's best Money Shots after the Bethesda Junior High Homecoming game they won't make it out of the office.  Even Wikileaks is pathetic these days in terms of getting any real information out of the Black Hole of the FSoA 4th Estate.

I do agree though that eventually His Trumpness will succumb to his own incompetence and Entropy will win the day.  So many things are spinning out of control now it can't be contained and covered up with perpetual lies.  We just need to be patient and he will hang himself.

RE

The text was translated from Persian, that is why it is a bit funky.

I wrote earlier that Trump needs to keep the war going.  The challenge for Trump is that his ability to keep the chaos that he generates by existing, and which he needs like air to stay alive manageable is not possible.  Trump grabbed a tiger by the tail and can't let go.  The minute he lets go the Epstein files bite him.  Never have things been more out of control for Chump, so he needs chaos like a dying man in a desert needs water.

Did Epstein give Israel pictures of Trump with his cock inside a little girls mouth through his Mossad connections.

Or not.

Did Epstein have Mossad connections?  Did Epstein like money?  Did Epstein have pictures of Trump with his cock inside a little girl's mouth?

To construct a statement using Aristotelian logic that establishes Trump is compromised by Israel we must proceed with a logical deduction.

Assumption 1 (Major premise): Epstein had connections to Israel, specifically to Israeli intelligence services.
   
Assumption 2 (Minor premise): Epstein had pictures of Trump with his cock inside a little girl's mouth.
   
Conclusion: If Epstein, had connections to Israeli intelligence services, and had compromising pictures of Trump, it logically follows that Trump is compromised by Israel through these connections. 

Money being the prime mover.

* And in a democracy, and if America had a congress, that would be impeachable.

Back to Square 1.

What effect did this have on Oil Prices?  Practically none.  Oil still trading at $76.  What does that tell you?  What it tells me is that Demand Destruction has already set in.  Everybody who can't afford over $80/bbl has dropped out of the buyers market.  Thus, even with Hormuz closed, there is plenty of oil available for buyers at $76.

The problem of course is that even for economies that can afford the current price, it's taking money out of Konsumer pockets they would have used to buy other things, like new carz and toys for the kids and vacations.  Thus economies slow down, biznesses lose customers, jobs are lost, recession sets in.

What's Chump's next move?  Politically, I'd say he HAS to sanction Israel.  He's gotta prove "he's the BOSS".  What sanction would bite hard enough?  I'd say no more Patriot missiles for defense.  Israel would be a sitting duck for Hezbollah missile attacks.  Will he have the balls for that?  Probably not.

RE

We are obviously not going to agree about this, and I am not going to argue about it.  But I have one question for you.  Why would a spammer spam us?  There is no financial gain at all.  Why would a spammer want to be here.

You live in the reality most Americans live in.  Ignorant.  Blissfully ignorant.  You have never been gang-stalked and I have.  Were that ever to happen to you, then you would be in a unique position to see how things work.  You, might actually wonder where all the billions in government dark money actually goes.  And once seeing how things are done, you might be less inclined to spout off about shit you know nothing about when it happens again.

It really is a perfect system, people like you are incapable of seeing what you don't want to see.  Personally I want the truth no matter how painful it is.

You call them 'spammers' as if that's a known, settled category, but you've never actually interacted with a single spammer in your life. You don't know who they are, what they want, or why they do what they do. You're just applying a label you soaked up like a sponge to dismiss something you don't understand.

What part of 'untraceable surveillance' did you not understand?

* It is interesting how many people who have never had their own website can be so adamant in their belief that the American government would not do such a thing.  Surveil their own citizens without a warrant, heaven forbid.  It would never happen you say.

** In June 2013, Edward Snowden began disclosing classified documents which revealed, the existence of global surveillance programs by the U.S. government, and it's capabilities in cyberspace. 

Do you want to say it never happened?

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Quote from: TDoS on Jun 19, 2026, 07:50 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Jun 19, 2026, 05:28 PMNo the men in black did not cause the problem except that they are certainly behind the trolls who pretend to be Russian.

Really? Is the idea that the MIB pretend to be Russian trolls because..they are more believable than when they pretend to be North Korean or Chinese ones?

The point is that the trolls are almost certainly government action.  Why else would anyone plant registrations to see the internals of this site without being a member and making a post like a goddamn human would.

Easy answer. Because they are spammers. They write script, the same as you. Those scripts run around, sign up to sites (you should see the same things popping up on peakoil.com, effectively an even more dead website than this one), and then amusingly post in a language that certainly isn't English. I didn't say they were smart spammers. Any person would know better than to post Chinese or Russian on a mostly Anglo-file site like that, or here, but because everything is automated, they just don't care what their individual misses are, only that they have some hits.

This behavior strikes me as typical, as opposed to the government thinking there is any way whatsoever randomly spamming sites with less than a handful of users.

Quote from: K-DogAnd if anyone else was doing it, the government would be all over them in spades.  Think about it.

I did. See more logical explanation above. If it were American secret services they would actually look American. They would speak American. They would ask about if we had any bomb making secrets, etc etc. It would be some FBI intern tasked with opening 50 usernames on the 50 most subversive sites trolling for targets to arrest, not interested in politically irritated older folks who are mobile, strike one user, have nothing to lose, strike two other users, and presto there is no one left of interest.

Quote from: K-DogThis is not the only asshole the government wants to climb up.

Or not one the government wants to climb up at all. You, me and RE are all capable of working out a threat analysis of the entirety of this website and coming to about the same analytical conclusion. There is none.

Quote from: K-DogThe only time they would not be investigating other investigators is when they are doing their surveillance through a third party, which they always do. They are not going to watch themselves.

The point of being Russian or any other nationality is to be untraceable.  I doubt this website is even visible in Russia.  Or North Korea, or China.  One of the Russian passages was a guide on how to rent a car in Turkey.  This is nothing new.  Untraceable bullshit.  The same technique has been used for years.

Probably because.....spammers don't learn for shit.

Quote from: K-DogUntraceable surveillance is the game, and because this forum can set user permissions, being a member is necessary to know what is going on inside here.

Or random spamming is the game. I'm certain the FBI could be untraceable, and doesn't have to pretend to be spammers as a way in. Just do I what I do. Sign up. Show up. Say something. And then ask cute questions about if the 3 of us know any subversives. Or encourage us to become subversives. So K-Dog....but by "subversive" I don't mean the politically irritated. I'm guessing folks what I just described, which is exactly how US services seem to catch all kinds of half wits just saying stupid shit online and then arresting them the instant someone takes the bait and buys some primer cord off of them in a grocery parking lot, is a well defined MO.And doesn't involve spamming a site with Eastern European languages. Or Chinese. 

They really need to STOP using the word "CEASEFIRE".  It has completely lost any meaning whatsoever.  Even putting it in quotes doesn't fix the damage done to this word.  Webster's or Oxford or needs to sue.

Supposedly Witicoff flew out this morning to negotiate, which guarantees nothing will get done.  He couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

RE

Quote from: TDoS on Jun 19, 2026, 07:50 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Jun 19, 2026, 05:28 PMNo the men in black did not cause the problem except that they are certainly behind the trolls who pretend to be Russian.

Really? Is the idea that the MIB pretend to be Russian trolls because..they are more believable than when they pretend to be North Korean or Chinese ones?

The point is that the trolls are almost certainly government action.  Why else would anyone plant registrations to see the internals of this site without being a member and making a post like a goddamn human would.  And if anyone else was doing it, the government would be all over them in spades.  Think about it.  This is not the only asshole the government wants to climb up.  The only time they would not be investigating other investigators is when they are doing their surveillance through a third party, which they always do. They are not going to watch themselves.

The point of being Russian or any other nationality is to be untraceable.  I doubt this website is even visible in Russia.  Or North Korea, or China.  One of the Russian passages was a guide on how to rent a car in Turkey.  This is nothing new.  Untraceable bullshit.  The same technique has been used for years.

Untraceable surveillance is the game, and because this forum can set user permissions, being a member is necessary to know what is going on inside here.

Quote from: K-Dog on Jun 19, 2026, 05:28 PMNo the men in black did not cause the problem except that they are certainly behind the trolls who pretend to be Russian.

Really? Is the idea that the MIB pretend to be Russian trolls because..they are more believable than when they pretend to be North Korean or Chinese ones?

As RE said

Quoteit is America.

The database is restored up to the last backup which was yesterday.  Merging in the posts that were made today is too much damn work.

No the men in black did not cause the problem except that they are certainly behind the trolls who pretend to be Russian.  I am dealing with them, and that caused me to use untested code which wiped the trolls and everyone else out except for RE and I.  Since we are admins the code did not delete us.