Quote from: TDoS on Jun 06, 2026, 06:40 AMI wonder what the 20-30k people a year who die from this wonderful substance think about it?

6000 people/year die in motorcycle crashes too.  At least with coke, it's only your own stupidity that causes the death.  On a bike, you risk other people's stupidity causing it.  In any event, all worthwhile things carry some risk.

Far as LSD goes, virtually nobody dies and it's non-addictive.

Anyhow, as I said earlier, your attitude stems from childhood.  It's clearly a reaction to having an alcoholic father.  You never got over that.

RE

Or you could take a trip on 50x Salvia and after you look down on the lizard skin covering your hand you can have a conversation with god.  No fooling him.  No way.  You might feel the life of insects even through the walls of the house.  Little sparks of life everywhere around you.  You can feel the presence of the demon in the lake who has no power over you.  And you can do all that in 15 minutes.

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Quote from: TDoS on Jun 05, 2026, 05:09 PMI don't understand the need/desire to take them leading to incoherence.

Cocaine doesn't make you incoherent, in fact it increases clarity and your speed of thinking.

I'll take your word for it. And that a highly addictive drug has that capability as well.

Quote from: REDr. Williiam Halstead who revolutionized surgery was a coke addict, Steve Jobs said LSD was "one of the two or three most important things I have done in life.", Freud considered cocaine a "wonder drug", and Thomas Edison was addicted to Vin Mariani, a Bordeaux wine treated with coca leaves.  As I said before, your perception of all drugs as having the same neurological effects as alcohol is completely wrong.

Well, with all these famous enthusiasts what could be wrong with it? I wonder what the 20-30k people a year who die from this wonderful substance think about it? How enlightened they felt, and wonderful, prior to...you know....dying from it.

I will grant that those who enjoy doing addictive and occasionally outright lethal drugs might..indeed...enjoy them. For some strange reason, maybe because we were lacking folks like your famous examples in the holler, they all just seemed to be stoned halfwits, dropouts and generally undesireable. Maybe there is a difference between backwoods dopers and the high and mighty kind that live in the cities?

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QuoteI will take your word and experience on how drugs can be great. I'll pass.

Far as LSD goes for you, that's probably a good idea.

Far as ANY of them go, it is probably a good idea. Dad was a mean drunk, and as far as enlightenment through drugs, I've been quite happy with mountaintops, racetracks, and the occasional grand western vista.

Quote from: RELooking into your unconscious mind would likely lead you to a very bad trip.  You might discover what a complete asshole you are.
RE

That is a possibility. Or it might reveal the attitudes and capabilities that landed Joe Nobody from the holler where I am in life. Perhaps an asshole, as are you I would venture, but also someone who has arrived where I am today. As opposed to where some "enlightened" others have arrived. Not you of course, but those dead bodies left behind after folks are overly "enlightened" through the injestion of various chemical compounds.  To each their own is my motto.

Quote from: TDoS on Jun 05, 2026, 05:09 PMI don't understand the need/desire to take them leading to incoherence.

Cocaine doesn't make you incoherent, in fact it increases clarity and your speed of thinking. Dr. Williiam Halstead who revolutionized surgery was a coke addict, Steve Jobs said LSD was "one of the two or three most important things I have done in life.", Freud considered cocaine a "wonder drug", and Thomas Edison was addicted to Vin Mariani, a Bordeaux wine treated with coca leaves.  As I said before, your perception of all drugs as having the same neurological effects as alcohol is completely wrong.

QuoteSo some folks take drugs to hallucinate in ways that just being a normal alkie or junkie can't experience?

Yes. See the above.

QuoteI will take your word and experience on how drugs can be great. I'll pass.

Far as LSD goes for you, that's probably a good idea.  Looking into your unconscious mind would likely lead you to a very bad trip.  You might discover what a complete asshole you are.


RE

Some people don't care if they are hated.

Fools and their money will soon be parted.

Quote from: RE on Jun 05, 2026, 09:05 AMFar as what Dentists give you for pain, it's usually oxycodone and the dosages they give you aren't enough to get you high.  Usually 5mg.  I take 10mg oxy 3 times a day, I don't get "woozy" at all and it barely scratches the pain.

You are in a situation where drugs, and the quantities of them are certainly useful. Never said they wwren't useful in the right situations, only that I don't understand the need/desire to take them leading to incoherence.

Quote from: REWay, way different than hallucinogens, which make you experience things more vividly as well as experience what is going on inside your own unconscious mind, which normally you can't experience.

So some folks take drugs to hallucinate in ways that just being a normal alkie or junkie can't experience? I know exactly how to experience things vividly without drugs, but it usually involves racetracks, or adrenaline in some way. Always find the time dilation feeling to be really interesting. 

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Quote from: RENot sure how a scientists perspective on drugs is any different than anyone else's, since many scientists use them, probably in similar numbers to the rest of the population.

Could be. After a career with them I've never seen it, but it is possible.

Quote from: REUntil you try it, it's a complete black box.
RE

I agree that those lacking experience with a thing, a feeling, a drug, a topic, can't say they have experienced it or maybe even understand it. Its exactly why PhD's can't get peak oil right, or Joe Average thinks they can do an appendectomy in a pinch, or experience on a rifle range as a child qualifies someone as a sniper in survival situations decades later.

Still, some folks think that they understand a topic or skill with no experience.

I will take your word and experience on how drugs can be great. I'll pass. 

The AI bubble has caused the most concentrated and overvalued stock market in US history. The billionaire CEOs of Big Tech corporations fear it may pop soon, so they changed the rules on Wall Street so that, mere days after their IPOs, SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic will be given "fast track" inclusion in major index funds, despite the fact that they are losing tons of money.

These corporate oligarchs want to use average retail investors as exit liquidity, looting pensions, 401(k)s, and other retirement funds, all so Elon Musk can become the world's first trillionaire. Ben Norton explains the scandal.

The title is misleading.  Musk is actually stealing the money of any retail investor who is fool enough to invest in a company that is loosing money and burning cash.  You don't have to be retired to be a victim.  If you have a Robinhood account it does not matter how old you are.  Musk will take your money.

Pop pop pop goes the bubble.




Getting money out of an index fund would be a good idea.  Buy back in after the crash.