Quote from: TDoS on Mar 13, 2026, 04:00 PMBut impeachment as effective action is like claiming that if the Titanic could have been saved if the passengers had all picked up water glasses and started  bailing it out by hand.

Unfortunately under the FSoA system it's the only legal method available.  If we had a Parliamentary system, a no-confidence vote for the goobermint could force a new election, but 1st off we don't run that system and 2nd it only works with multiple parties and we only have two viable ones.

Monarchies and Dictatorships are even worse, there your only options are assassinations or Coup d'Etats, which aren't legal unless successful.  If unsuccessful, those trying to eliminate the offending tyrant risk death or imprisonment so they gotta be pretty sure they'll succeed.  That's why so many senators stuck their knives into Caesar.

Given this reality, what would you suggest to remedy the situation?  You have an alternative I haven't thought of?

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The war would have this thread die.




My opinion is that this is a false report meant to confuse the issues.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 12, 2026, 07:18 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 12, 2026, 07:15 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 12, 2026, 01:37 PMSeems pretty simple to me.  The only way to stop this war is to stop Trump.  Impeach his ass.

Yes....look how well it worked all those other times. Please.

Trump is not worth WWIII even if you like him.

Trump isn't worth...anything. Regardless of whether or not someone likes him. But impeachment as effective action is like claiming that if the Titanic could have been saved if the passengers had all picked up water glasses and started  bailing it out by hand.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 12, 2026, 01:37 PMSeems pretty simple to me.  The only way to stop this war is to stop Trump.  Impeach his ass.

Impeachment still depends on fair elections followed by hearings in both houses of CONgress where a 2/3rds majority votes to pitch him out, followed by him actually accepting the result, or getting the military to forcibly evict him, since the DoJ is stacked with his appointees.  IOW, far from a sure thing.

It isn't the only way either, as Kennedy and Lincoln found out.  While no POTUS has ever been successfully impeached, assassinations have been successful in the past.  This of course would cause its own set of problems so not a great solution either.

In the event impeachment is successful, sending him to the Hague to be put on trial for War Crimes would also be a wise move, to dissuade future POTUSES from following his precedent, as well as restoring global confidence in FSoA adherence to the rule of law.

Any of these outcomes will also have negative consequences.  The lost faith  won't be restored automatically, and polarization will likely increase.  That makes outcomes like Civil War or Secession more likely.

No matter what, we're unlikely to see a return to "normal" as in the FSoA goobermint pre Trump.

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Quote from: TDoS on Mar 12, 2026, 07:15 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 12, 2026, 01:37 PMSeems pretty simple to me.  The only way to stop this war is to stop Trump.  Impeach his ass.

Yes....look how well it worked all those other times. Please.

Trump is not worth WWIII even if you like him.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 12, 2026, 01:37 PMSeems pretty simple to me.  The only way to stop this war is to stop Trump.  Impeach his ass.

Yes....look how well it worked all those other times. Please.

Quote from: RE on Mar 12, 2026, 09:54 AMI'd hardly call mass deportations and ICE Gestapo murdering citizens no real consequences.

I didn't say ridiculous politic theater isn't a real consequence. I would say it isn't collapse. How many students died at Kent State? Because of idiot law enforcement activities doesn't a collapse make.

Quote from: REBombing Tehran back to the Stone Age is definitely consequential to the Iranians.  Oil tankers bottled up in the Persian Gulf has serious consequences for Chinese factories producing Iphones.

I agree it is consequential. Like idiot mortgage lenders in 2008, except without bombs. Consequential isn't collapse.

Quote from: REFar as outcomes go, it depends where you live how far along things are.

I agree. If you happen to live in Gaza, you are pretty collapsed. If you lived in Wehrmacht Germany, you were collapsed. All the times Troy was destroyed, probably aexcellent collapse.

All local events, which certainly isn't "societal collapse" as in not just local events. You mentioned an event sometime in past, where geneticists had determined that the human species had been down to like 25,000 breeding pairs or something in the past? THAT I can go for as collapse. Local examples are just local examples, which have always been with us, somewhere in the world.

Quote from: REIt'll get here in due time.
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Indeed. The Sun is getting lighter by 40 million tons every second. We are absolutety doomed. But as I have said before, and appears to be far more accurate than all the other doom claims to date, you, and me and K-Dog, our personal dooms are far more likely to arrive before any species level collapse. So for us this is all just jawboning, unless someone is hiding some cool personal collapse story, no food to eat, no health care, our German cars need shipped somewhere to get fixed, no electricity for my EV, whatever.

Gas prices in the Seattle area are surging as international conflict in Iran disrupts oil shipments and creates market uncertainty. According to AAA data, the statewide average for a gallon of gas has increased by almost 60 cents over the past month.

The price spike has pushed averages across the Puget Sound region significantly higher. As of Monday morning, average prices were recorded at $4.88 in King County, $4.67 in Snohomish County, and $4.69 in Pierce County, according to AAA.

Gas prices go up and Trump gets richer.  Bibi does ethnic cleansing as 100,000 people have to move out of south Lebanon under threat of Death. U.S. tax dollars are helping it happen.

Trump has to go.  The longer Trump acts out, the more people will die.  As he degrades, Trump's rage becomes ever more random.  Trump's death lottery is coming for you.  This is no joke.  People are going up in smoke.  Six months ago what is happening now was a mad fantasy.  Now as the mad fantasy comes true ask yourself what could be true in six more months.

Are you afraid to stop evil?

Quotewhich of course El Trumpo won't do.

He can't pay reparations and claim that he kicked butt.  He will have to disguise it as investing in Iran.  Some sort of rebranding.  But Iran will not cooperate with Trump.  It is not in their interest to do so.

Seems pretty simple to me.  The only way to stop this war is to stop Trump.  Impeach his ass.

Right now he is claiming all this is a "short-term excursion" and that the U.S. has already "wiped every single force in Iran out."

More shit comes out of his mouth than comes out of his ass.  And it is known that plenty of shit comes out of Trump's ass.  Trump talks like a 7 year old child. : "wiped every single force in Iran out." really dude?  Is that even remotely presidential?  No it is not.


Children think death is not real.

"wiped every single force in Iran out."

Trump thinks like a child and he pretends death is not real.  Or Trump does not care about other people.

Which is it?

Both are true.  And both are a consequence of Trump's high-octane daddy issues.


When is this mad pony going to be reigned in?

* At his own father's funeral, Trump spoke almost entirely about himself and his own 'achievements'.  Currently  the White House is beginning to talk about "The Great Persian Reconstruction" even as active strikes continue.