This is a good read.  Accurate and well written.  American's at the time did not understand the context of the revolution.  The Shah was portrayed in America the way the British Royal family was and Iran was a far away place.  For most Americans the Iranian revolution was like a bolt of lightning in a blue sky.  Knowledge of the Shah's excesses was not common knowledge. 

QuoteThis should take us to the end of May, by which time the global economy will be in shambles.

At which point Trump uses a tactical nuke and starts WWIII.  Then we all become memories in a universe that will soon forget we were ever here.

QuoteI'm sure the Ayatollahs can find an appropriate punishment somewhere in the Koran.

Trump loves gold.

The Ayatollahs giving Trump a gold sword would make everybody happy.  Then everybody can go home. 

Giving gold would also make history rhyme.  Comparing Israel and their vassal state of Trumptown USA to the Roman Empire :

QuoteMeanwhile the Romans also laid hold of him, came to blows with the others, and for a time held their own; then aid came to the barbarians, and they prevailed; 2 for their forces, which were in the plain and had been made ready beforehand brought help to their men before the Romans on the high ground could to theirs. And not only the others fell, but Crassus also was slain, either by one of his own men to prevent his capture alive, or by the enemy because he was badly wounded. This was his end. 3 And the Parthians, as some say, poured molten gold into his mouth in mockery; for though a man of vast wealth, he had set so great store by money as to pity those who could not support an enrolled legion from their own means, regarding them as poor men. 4 Of the soldiers the majority escaped through the mountains to friendly territory, but a part fell into the hands of the enemy.

Cassius Dio Roman History Book XL

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 28, 2026, 04:09 PMThe Trump properties and businesses should be taken by congress and given as reparations To Iran.

Yah, & Trumpolini should be sent along with the money for trial under Sharia Law.  I'm sure the Ayatollahs can find an appropriate punishment somewhere in the Koran.

Sadly of course, this is not gonna happen.  It should take about 2 weeks for the 2nd boatload of marines to arrive and a few days to get all the hardware ready.  Then another week bombing the living shit out of the coastline while the Iranians bunker up in the caves.   Then the troop ships will try to run the straigh and I'd give it maybe 70-30 they make it through without too many landing craft getting sunk by missiles or unmanned submersibles.  Then they hit the beaches Normandy style and try to set up shop, while Iranians rain down short range missiles from the interior.

This should take us to the end of May, by which time the global economy will be in shambles.

RE

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 28, 2026, 04:09 PMThe Trump properties and businesses should be taken by congress and given as reparations To Iran.

OUCH!!!!

I remember sitting around a lunch table when the release of the American hostages held by Iran was announced. I was sitting at that table with 2 Iranians. They seemed like okay folks. But back then I would have been happy if Ronny had glassed Tehran just to make a point. Not sure which one, as I was young and reactive (before my  reputation became what it is today), but nuclear weapons being deployed seemed about right for making the point back then.

While I remember that day, and my feelings, they certainly aren't the same as then. I think this self inflicted shit show is just idiot Americans run amuck. However, it is worth wondering if we had indeed glassed Tehran back then, if we would be doing stupid shit nowadays to them?

Quote from: RE on Mar 28, 2026, 09:57 AM

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 28, 2026, 08:43 AMHow many people woud you estimate ARE this economically ignorant RE?

Most people are ignorant of economic principles, including those who own EVs and have Solar Roofs

Could be. But you know something about economics, and I've been working in an economic environment for 2 decades now. Neither of us are ignorant about it, although perhaps only one of us has done it professionally. And this one knows that solar panels and EV's ROCK, when others are busy whining about liquid fuel costs.

Quote from: RE

QuoteRemember when folks thought the neocons were fascists?

Of course. They were correct, neocons were fascists.
RE

Based on recent reactions here, there are apparently fascists, and FASCISTS from recent reactions to the same type of folks. Some fascists generate NO KINGS protests, others are apparently lightweights and just generate whining.

QuoteTrump is not gonna be real popular in that scenario.

Then that scenario must not happen.

The Twenty-fifth Amendment (Amendment XXV) to the United States Constitution addresses issues related to presidential succession and disability. There is no time for anything else for as you say Trump can't take action fast enough to stop things from going FUBAR.  The Trump properties and businesses should be taken by congress and given as reparations To Iran.

Nearly every analyst here tells you what will happen if the war stops now.  They don't talk about what will happen if the straight is still closed in July, or eve May or June.  Everybody woorks on the assumption it's another 3-4 weeks MAX.  Somehow, I doubt it.  Militarily, it's a nightmare and would take way more than the 5000 or so troops so far on the road.  They won't all even be in place for another 2 weeks.

Under the more likely scenario oil doesn't start pouring out of there, you're talking a total meltdown in most of Europe and Asia, and it won't be pretty here either.

Trump is not gonna be real popular in that scenario.

RE