Quote from: K-Dog on Jun 23, 2026, 09:33 PM They are like humans who do things by rote without any understanding, brain dead we call it in people.  Functional but not really alive.  That may get a lot of work done, but there will be nothing new under the sun.

True, but security systems don't really require original thinking.  They're all variations on an encryption theme.  Got a faster  more powerful system with better cracking algorithms, you can probably break it by brute force.  Besides that, just about all systems have some flaw in the code that can be exploited, or the original designer snuck in a back door on purpose.  So there's a better than even chance that the proliferation of AI computing will lead to more systems currently considered "secure" being broken.  Based on what I've read so far, particularly at risk are Block Chain Crypto Currency Wallets.  If any of the major cryptocurrency systems are broken, that whole sector could be at risk.  Which isn't necessarily a bad thing,  but a few crypto Billionaires like the Winklevoss Twins could take a beating. 😁

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I trust you see the recursive problem this creates.  Because AI can be used to crack the security protocols for any computer system, any security system must continuously use AI to defend against AI based attacks.  This leads to a running battle between the Hackers and the Network Admins to run more complex and sophisticated methods to crack or protect a system.  Each round of this battle leads to ever greater consumption of energy, water and time by the supercomputers waging this battle.  Since it is a war that neither side can ever really "win", there is really no upper limit to how much it will cost to keep a system secure.  It also probably makes your home computer or laptop nearly impossible to secure.

This of course is wonderful newz for anyone renting out time on their supercomputer (probably to both combatants), but for everyone else including the end consumer whose financial and medical records have to be kept secure, it's going to make it quite expensive.

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AI stocks currently taking a beating, inspired in all likelihood by the post-IPO cold feet of the early investors in SpaceX.  Perhaps this will act as a catalyst to pop the AI Bubble, which besides its dubious issues with Surveillance and Spying and Dumbing down of Homo Saps who use it to substitute for rather than augment Human Intelligence, also probably doesn't pay for itself when you factor in the GOBS of Energy & Water it consumes and damage to the environment.  Add to that the fact that 99.9% of the benefits of AI go to the 0.1% of the population that owns the companies doing the buildout.

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Lively day in Collapse!  In addition to the above highlights

Hello, this is Gail Krishnan writing to you from Singapore. Welcome to today's edition of CNBC's Daily Open.

On Wall Street, a rotation out of big tech dragged the S&P and Nasdaq lower. That offset more encouraging newsflow on Iran as the U.S. agreed to waive Iranian oil sanctions for 60 days.

Meanwhile, 10 Downing Street will soon get a new occupant, for the seventh time in 10 years.

Japan has long held the dubious honor of a revolving door of prime ministers. But on the 10th anniversary of Brexit, Britain is finding itself in increasingly familiar territory.

Another UK PM bites the dust! Now they can hold a referendum to Un-Brexit!

Iran is now officially ahhead of where they were before the war.  Chump has lifted the sanctions and they can sell their oil.

Elon already took out a $20B UNSECURED bridge loan to keep SpaceX floating.  Can't he just cover that out of his Petty Cash?  Oh, right, OPM.

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Trading at over 100 times trailing revenue while reporting a $4.9 billion net loss in 2025, SpaceX's valuation demands near-flawless execution.  SpaceX's accelerated lockup structure allows insider selling sooner than the traditional 180-day window, adding share-supply pressure to an already-stretched valuation.

A MEDIAN return of -32% for mega IPOs.  lol.  If SpaceX even comes in at -50% this year and investors only lose half their money they will be lucky.  If they have a buy & hold strategy, maybe they'll break even in 10 years.

This IPO had LOSER written all over it from the get go.

At roughly $2.4 trillion, investors are paying more than 100 times trailing revenue. That's a valuation that assumes years of near-flawless execution across rockets, satellites, and artificial intelligence.

100X revenue with PERFECT execution over at least a decade?  When has Elon ever had perfect execution and met the targets he set at the beginning?  When and if anything he promises actually comes and works, it's still at least 5 years behind schedule.  Still waiting for those self-driving carz. But of course it never has to turn a profit, just keep splitting the stock and dragging in more investors and building more factories and the stock keeps going up.  Maybe he'll pull it off again with SpaceX, the market can remain irrational longer than anyone can stay solvent.  Such is the game of Casino Capitalism.

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This club is not good, and I do not dismiss it.  I only point out that the rich are always getting together in exclusive groups, and have for a few centuries now.  I have a great great grandfather who had his own rail car in the 1880's and he was a 'Mason'.  He made a fortune by today's standards, gambled it away, retired to a retirement home run by the Mason's.  Escaped to make a new fortune and put my grandmother, his granddaughter through college, and he lived to be 107.  In my own life I have worked close enough to the rich to know they live in exclusive bubbles.  But despite all their exclusive clubs the rich can be beat at their own game as they are too lazy to really be smart.  All people have to do is organize.  Which sounds easy, but the rich are quite aware of this threat.

RE, you met my 'cousin' Todd when you were down here.  He has been working for Space-X in Redmond WA for a few years.  I called him the other day and asked if he was a millionaire yet.  Based on his response his 'options' are in that ball park.  That sounds about right.  I advised him to cash them out and explained that while some people have more money than I do, I am better positioned to survive a crash than someone with a million dollar portfolio. I do not do risk, but I still beat inflation.  Trading liquidity for a few percent but not trading significant risk.

I could do a You Tube channel about this and likely pick up a few thousand a year.  Doom investing, but unloading 18 wheeled trucks into a warehouse part time is way more badass.  And it pays enough with my best investment, Social Security, to leave my other investments alone.  The part time job is like having an extra half million invested at a decent interest rate.  Would an extra half million make me a millionaire?  I'm not going to say.

For those still in the game it appears that success in America now depends on how close you are to a billionaire.  Like the old song goes:

QuoteDon't you know about the new fashion, honey?  All ya need are looks and a whole lotta money.

Looks optional.  Forget making things, and providing services that people actually need.  Forget about trading time in honest labor for cash.  No,  America became a casino, and without the cheap drinks, and cheap food a casino should have.  And I am too old to gamble.

In America, if you are not extracting rent from somebody, you are nobody.  France was once this ugly.

I am SHOCKED!  Shocked I tell you.

I look forward to the inexorable slide to the depth of Davey Jones Locker as Investors look at the P/E ratio of Elon's sales job and their 401K retirement lifeboats start taking on water.  That's even not pricing in a market crash, in which case SpaceX will sink faster than the Titanic after plowing into the iceberg.

The savvy investors will of course be able to take solace in the fact that they generously stuffed the Muskrat's bank account with Billions of FRNs to fill the Trust Funds of his spawn, endless parties for the Supermodel moms and meager paychecks for the Phillipina Nannies who raise them.

Even in a best case scenario, it would take a decade for this White Elephant to turn a profit, and Elon already has plans to further line his pockets by issuing Bonds and loading the company up with debt based on the collateral of the spurious valuation of the stock.  After that, he can rehypothecate the debt by  mortgaging whatever satellites he actually gets into orbit, and then scam the taxpayers for a bailout before he has to face a bankruptcy filing.  Because of course SpaceX is ALREADY TBTF.

Only in Amerika.  Land of Opportunity for the morally and ethically bankrupt.


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