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    - It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends ...

    Started by RE Feb 27, 2024, 12:49 AM

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    Feb 27, 2024, 12:49 AM
    Quote from: K-Dog on Feb 26, 2024, 11:27 PM
    QuoteSince when have I ever been considered tolerant or a fan of karmic justice?  My form of Justice is well known.

    You are taking it personally, and I don't mean any of this to be personal.  So think about someone else besides yourself.  People who take Karma seriously are everywhere.  Their idealism is destroying the world.  Some idiots even say this is all gods' plan.

    Not taking it personally, no worries there.  :)   Just doing what's necessary to refute an argument, and in that case all that was necessary was to provide a single example that was contrapositive to the premise.  The example happened to be me, since you had made me an example of idealistic thinking.  Remember, I taught the Arguments portion of the LSAT for the Princeton Review.  It's a gift.  lol.

    QuoteI do not why you are going on about extinction.  When half the people are gone, reality will have folded several times over on itself.  The future is unpredictable after it folds a few times.  It can't be known.

    People obsessed with extinction need to get a life.  They should be supporting people who are trying to make change instead of deciding everyone else is mentally challenged.  Most people are watchers, few will do anything to make change.

    You are the one who has been insisting that this collapse will end with extinction, and ZERO people will survive the Zero Point of Oil availability.  I don't accept that argument as fulfilling necessary & sufficient conditions for extinction.  So as long as you maintained that it would end that way, I would make arguments to show otherwise.  Just as I continued arguing the position that ideas don't exist without Homo Saps around to think them.  I don't buy that one either.  So we agreed to disagree after it went on long enough to become tiresome.  Now that you have backed off and left it open ended as unpredictable, we have come to an agreement.  Arguments complete from both sides,  it's up to the jury (our readers) to decide for themselves which way it will end, Extinction or Knockdown.

    QuoteUsing helicopters to shoot goats in the Galapagos islands worked as expected until most of the goats were gone.  The last 10% learned to hide well enough to avoid getting shot.  Special techniques needed to be used.  Judas goats with radio transmitters.  The extinction of the Galapagos goats turned out to be more difficult than anticipated.

    Indeed.  Extinction is really, really difficult to achieve with any species, and Homo Sap is a highly adaptable one that has survived both major climate changes and catastrophic volcanic explosions.  We populated the entire globe from the desert sands in the tropics to the frozen tundra above the arctic circle.  From sea level to 3 KM (16.000 ft) up in the Andes and the Himalayas, nearly halfway up to the Death Zone above 8 KM (26,000 ft) where the oxygen is too thin for any life at all.  Human corpses up there don't even decompose with nothing there to feed on them.

    When we are knocked down the population can go really low before there is no turning back.  75,000 years ago the were just 10,000 Human Souls left still walking the earth encased in meat packages, and from that group with just 1000 breeding pairs, we rebounded to 500M in 1600, before the Age of Oil.  Will we ever rebound that far again?  Unlikely in my estimation since it took 75,000 years to get there, and I believe the Prophets Zager & Evans that we only have 500 years left, In the year 2525.  Or maybe 10,000, going to the final lyrics. lol. 8)


    QuotePlease don't compare me to McStinksion again.

    As long as you don't insist on extinction as the obligatory outcome for the end of the Age of Oil in the near term, I won't.  Once you take that position, you climb into bed with Dr. McStinksion. Long as it is a known unknown, , you aren't in that rathole.  That's up to you.

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    QuoteI write a whole lot and make videos to inform people about collapse.  In both cases a good deal more than you.

    That's great.  Keep up the good work.

    I'll do my best.  Keep on Truckin'



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