Quote from: K-Dog on Apr 27, 2024, 11:49 AMYes, if you build it they will come.

Only in your dreams.  You can have a whole field of dreams.  And that is all you will have.  If their were any truth to 'build it and they will come' we would have ten thousand members by now.  We do not.  In America there are many delusions to choose from.

Indeed, but of the plethora of delusions out there, unlike Fusion power or 1000s of thorium salt micro nukes or drilling 5 kilometer deep wells to heat water through geothermal energy, this delusion is actually plausible.  The tech is already proven, the solar and wind farms are being built and hydrogen is portable enough and packs enough energy into tanks that will fit on cars and planes to run their engines.  It doesn't have huge environmental issues with mining or battery manufacture, and the only gas it expels after combustion is water vapor.  You can't get any cleaner.

Do I expect it to be built up to the scale necessary to replace FFs in the time left before those supplies become uneconomic to keep being extracted or we have so much climate related problems with food production that social breakdown will collapse the system first?  No, probably not.  However, unlike all the other delusions I read about every day since every scientist and engineer out there if fishing for a solution, I find this one to be the most plausible.  Plausibility doesn't make it economic though, and they have a long way to go to demonstrate that before they could even begin to try and scale it up as a civilization wide solution. #1 on that hit parade is cutting the current cost of carbon free hydrgen production about in half, then producing a prototype car that would sell at say $30K or so.  We'll see if they even get that far before SHTF Day arrives.

RE