Quote from: RE on Jun 19, 2023, 07:44 PMAre you purposely missing the point or are you really unable to understand the concept? 

Depends on which particular concept you think I don't comprehend I suppose. You did mention more than one.

Quote from: REYou also miss the point that who actually got sent to the Great Beyond was basically irrelevant, they were just people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time.  The people weren't the target, the civilization was.

Okay, so Ted was a nutter, he killed randos and thought that would cause a revolt bringing down civilization. Arguably, proving he was a nutter and making his manifesto the ramblings of such. Look, I didn't read his manifesto, I can only take your word and interpretation on what he wrote, or maybe meant, hence my questions.

Quote from: RENormal folks in fact do NOT agree on the premise, and up to TKs era and in fact onward to today nobody has come up with any action any more effective than Ted's bombing campaign.  Greta Thunberg hasn't been any more effective, neither has Extinction Rebellion. You can abhor violence, but historically speaking making any kind of major change in society has been accompanied by violence, a whole lot more generally speaking than Ted dished out.

Okay, I can agree with this point. But I wouldn't believe a word of it coming from someone to whom knocking off some randos was a means to that end. Or convince others of the same. Now...if he was trying to figure out a delayed action lethal poison to dump into the upstate New York watershed feeding down to NYC....now THAT you can draw a straight line from a "civilization bad must die" angle.

Quote from: REI doubt TK expected his little bombing campaign to bring down Industrial Civilization. rather I think he viewed it more like Lexington & Concord, the "shot heard round the world" that initiated the FSoA Revolution.

That is a reasonable extrapolation...but from the nutter perspective allowing room for a grandiose opinion of themselves. Over the years of his bombings, isn't such a smart person supposed to LEARN that their techniques were ineffective in real time and set about learning from that experience and doing better? And if they couldn't be bothered, isn't that just another piece of evidence of him being no such mastermind but just a usual run of the mill murdering nutter?

Quote from: REHe probably hoped others would follow his example and take up arms to destroy industrial civilization.

And if he was as smart as his resume indicates, and WASN'T a nutter, he should have learned that he was failing and taken a more effective line of action. Having a tough time giving this guy credit for being anything other than a murdering nutter, even if his original claim was "civilization bad, something must be done" and we can both agree with that premise.