I wouldn't make a definition for a word like "nutter".  It's a totally loaded term.  It would be like making a definition of an ass wipe or fuck wad.  You don't like TK because you don't like what he did.  So you use a name and concept designed to show your distaste.  Fair enough, but don't pretend you are making any kind of dispassionate analysis here.

I never said TK was better, only that he was different.  His methodology for bringing about change was clearly flawed, but I do understand how he got there after having his brain sand blasted by the FSoA black ops folks.  The fact he spent 20 years sending out mail bombs because he was generally pissed off at the civilization he was living in doesn't make any of what he wrote less true, nor does it make it more true.  It did get him more readers though.

Far as Heinberg's back to the land plan killing millions of people, that is a ridiculous argument.  Millions of people are going to die here no matter what.  Going back to the land is an attempt to save a few.  It probably won't succeed, but so far nobody has come up with anything better that isn't loaded up with hopium and skittle shitting unicorns.  That Fusion Tokamak costing billions isn't gonna save anybody, nor will Elon Musk & Jeff Bezos' rocket ships.

Now, if I had Elon & Jeff's kind of money, I wouldn't spend it building oversize Estes Rockets to nowhere.  I would build floating submersible Bubble towns from basalt reinforced cement & glass domes powered by a micro nuclear reactors and tidal generators with desalinization plants, air filtration and oxygen concentrators, hydroponic gardens and fish farms out in international waters.  Each bubble would house somewhere between 1000-10000 homo saps and could be directed following the wind and ocean currents anywhere on the globe.  They could be hooked together to make larger cities with resources and raw materials scavenged from the land masses they were parked near.

Upon completion of each module, open applications would be available to anyone interested in becoming a resident of that town.  At the first level there would be a competitive examination for each demographic segment from age 8 to 48.  Then Pass/Fail Physical, Medical and Psychological examinations.  Finally, all the applicants would have to agree to donate all their wealth and possessions to furthering the building of more bubbles if they are selected.  Then, assuming there are more successful applicant left than there are spots available, each age cohort would be separated out and divided into male and female pools, and a lottery held to get the final residents.  All would have to move aboard immediately, no waiting until the Zombies are attacking your McMansion.

So, my question for today is if you met the requirements, passed all the tests and won the lottery to board the first Bubble, would you do it?  Remember, you have to give up all your personal possessions and break all your ties with friends and family to do it.  Chances are few if any of them would also make the cut.

A second corollary question is if your 10 year old son or daughter got a spot on the ark but you, your wife and other children did not, would you let him/her go alone?

I realize this is major topic drift from TK, but that topic is beaten to death.  ::)

RE