Quote from: RE on Jun 20, 2023, 09:17 PMI wouldn't make a definition for a word like "nutter".  It's a totally loaded term.

Okay, makes perfect sense, by its nature the word is prejorative.I will try and avoid nutter in the future unless I really do want to denigrate the target. Which honestly seems to apply to murderers, but still.

Quote from: REFar as Heinberg's back to the land plan killing millions of people, that is a ridiculous argument.

It wasn't an argument, it happens to be something already attempted historically, that did indeed kill millions the times it was attempted. For Stalin it was the Holodomor, for Mao it was the Great Chinese Famine, and for Pol Pot it was the Khmer Rouge famine. All varying attempts are forcing folks to make for themselves, which is exactly what Heinberg suggested circa 2007 in his Museletter . Documented in real time[/url by John Denver.

Quote from: REMillions of people are going to die here no matter what.

Probably. But it isn't ridiculous that some folks just want to kick off the party early, or are so ignorant of past attempts and the consequences that they shouldn't be listened to if they tell you the time, let alone anything to do with peak oil, collapse and whatnot.

Quote from: RENow, if I had Elon & Jeff's kind of money, I wouldn't spend it building oversize Estes Rockets to nowhere.  I would build floating submersible Bubble towns from basalt reinforced cement & glass domes powered by a micro nuclear reactors and tidal generators with desalinization plants, air filtration and oxygen concentrators, hydroponic gardens and fish farms out in international waters. 

So, my question for today is if you met the requirements, passed all the tests and won the lottery to board the first Bubble, would you do it?

Of course not.

Quote from: REA second corollary question is if your 10 year old son or daughter got a spot on the ark but you, your wife and other children did not, would you let him/her go alone?

Tough call with it being a 10 year old. It would depend completely on the circumstances that caused these bubbles to be built in the first place. For example, general climate change that may or may not get you in the next generation? Or more of a "everyone who doesn't get on board dies within a year" "Don't Look Up" type thing. Dies in a year, the kid probably goes, if the timeline is based on the kind of nonsense the world has been living with since the Mayan Calendar collapse sutff or the "peak oil gonna getcha!" days, not a chance.