Quote from: K-Dog on May 18, 2024, 09:24 AMThat graph is interesting but it does not mean much.I agree. And the point I thought I made, other than using it as information to demonstrate that it has been going on a long time, Richard Duncan claimed it as a world ending event...and it didn't work out as planned.
Quote from: K-DogIt would be interesting to correlate economic indicators and gas prices with the curve.It would. And I would bet someone like Gail Tverberg has already done it, and probably used it to predict the end times herself, somewhere between her peak oil claims going sideways in 2008 and within 10 years of that as she focused more on energy, as her discredited oil claims had already dinged her credibility.
Quote from: K-DogHalf of this energy use, or a huge part of it is elective.Indeed. And then there is the efficiency of a fixed amount of energy use, allowing more to be done with the same, or even less, with increases in it. Part of the reason why a global peak in 1979 didn't bother folks anymore than the recent one in 2018. Folks use less, and use it more efficiently.
Quote from: K-DogThat is the bitch line. The amount of energy it actually takes to keep the show going. That number could be worked out with enough study and effort. The number would vary by location but the point is, the number exists. So somewhere above that line, but close to it, things will go to shit. Depending on the stupidity of the status-quo, collapse could come sooner.Well, some have certainly tried to work it out. And I would agree that it seems likely someone could, but those who have tried to date don't appear to have a handle on it quite yet.