Quote from: Tonyprep on Jun 01, 2024, 10:24 PMThe last couple of decades have found me contemplating peak oil, global heating, biodiversity loss, etc, etc.

Could have spent more time focusing on the important ones, did anyone ever notice ANY of the peak oils just in this century?

Quote from: Tony PrepThus, it seems we just make up stuff to rationalise what we want to do.

You aren't the only one who noticed, years ago, that doom, any doom, was a great idea to justify buying hunting and fishing cabins, bug out bags, gold guns and ammo etc etc. The suggestion wasn't taken well, as it had to much truth in it, seemed to me. But now could be the time?

Quote from: Tony PrepHumans are a species. Since humans are a species, we can't expect them to act in a non-species way.

Seems a bit self evident, your argument is that all the doomers didn't even realize they had forgotten they are just human, and therefore do all the stupid crap that got us into the mess we are in, and certainly aren't about to do what it takes to get out of it.

Quote from: Tony PrepSo denial of reality is really just a rationalisation of behaviour they have no real control over.

Sounds reasonable. Buy any doom at hand so going all bonkers over the hunting or fishing cabin, gold guns and ammo, etc etc. seems justified.

Quote from: Tony PrepSo some of us can be horrified by the inaction of most people to rein in their resource use but it makes no difference; humans will continue to act like a species.

Makes more sense to be specfic..humans will just continue acting like humans. Not all species are as stupid as we are.

Quote from: Tony PrepSo modernity will end, as it is unsustainable.

Would have been nice if everyone has jumped to this reasonable conclusion rather than dragging in all the nonsense they have over the years. Of course modernity will end, one way or another. After all, the Sun is getting lighter every day we've been talking about doom, and it won't ever stop until it has destroyed the planet.

Quote from: Tony PrepNature is a cruel place, contrary to hope of living in harmony with nature.

Nature isn't cruel. You are imposing a human perspective to it. Nature isn't human. Nature just does what it does, things stay in a general natural balance. Life, death, etc etc. Humans just had a better scheme to improve their geographic range to develop resources to keep breeding rather than..turtles....or goats.

Quote from: Tony PrepThe only real question is how long will it take for the resource and environmental problems we've created really bite home and make the inevitable decline of our species obvious?

Doesn't you talking about it mean it already has?