Quote from: Tonyprep on Apr 02, 2023, 05:53 PMQuote from: RE on Apr 02, 2023, 03:49 AMOh, it's a little quibble. It's hard to think of a decline over a couple of centuries as being a collapse but the decline is often referred to as collapse. Whether industrial civilisation's decline will be regarded as a collapse, is something for future historians, if such beings will exist.Quote from: Tonyprep on Apr 01, 2023, 10:56 PMTechnically, a collapse happens over a very short period, suddenly.Short is a relative comparison. The Roman Empire collapse took a couple of hundred years. Compared to how long the empire was around, that was pretty short but long measured by the human life span. Industrial Civilization has been around 270 years. If collapse takes 50 years, that is still pretty short. It's also hard to put a finger on when collapse has completed. In a sense the Roman Empire never finished collapsing, it is still with us in the form of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.
RE
I think when the lights go out permanently most people will consider collapse as being well along.
RE