Quote from: K-Dog on Jun 24, 2024, 08:44 AMWe are not mere spectators here.  We have mojo.

Agreed!

I have been reading a little bit more of that authors writing. It is fairly consistent now with the idea that collapse is inevitable and it is happening now, and will continue to collapse in the next couple decades. He is a capitalist economist, so reaching this prognostication is taking some risks in being a Debbie downer. I wonder what you all think about his approach. You mentioned the 4 waves of collapse he sees happening, and I don't think it will be THAT predictable. The chaos will be a big factor in our inability to stop the collapse. Those waves are not so distinct that we could possibly prepare for them. The 1.Enviromental 2. Economic 3. Political 4. Population collapse will happen simultaneously with one effecting the others along the way.

Unfortunately that leaves us meat packages little choice in being prepared for the end of this civilization. It looks like Trumpism could take over for the next 4 years, so who the hell knows what will happen. The middle east and global south are moving to incorporate away from the petrol-dollar, which will only complicate the mess. I am not great at predicting so many variables flying around and changing so rapidly. I do think the American consumer is waking up a bit to the environmental trouble we are facing, but it doesn't look like that is what is motivating their vote. It is the economy. That is what the spin doctors of buy more propaganda are experts at. SPEND MORE! It will all work itself out. That shit will probably win this election. We are toast. "I see dead people."