Do you think collapse is 100% unavoidable?

Knarf · Jul 05, 2024, 03:52 AM

"Not 100%, but maybe something like 80-90%.

Reasons: our agricultural, industrial, and energy systems took centuries to develop, there is no physical way they can withstand climate change and resource depletion while supporting the current world population, and attempts to reform these systems have generally hovered somewhere between "non-existent" to "ineffective to the point of barely being able to keep up with demand growth".

There is no plan to change these systems in time, no political will to do it even if we had a plan, and no reasonable, rational, evidence-based reason to think that it will magically be "OK" if we simply do our best.

Admitting this fact isn't nihilism, it's simply realism.

Now for the big question:

"No, to what extent do you think average individuals (if there even is such a thing) are not powerless, and still have agency to be part of the solution? And what does this practically look like for you?"

Yes, there is something the average individual can do: join, start, or ally oneself with any movement that has the aim of overturning capitalism.

That's it.

Ending capitalism globally and replacing it with any system that puts the survival of civilization first, not as a leftover after the shareholders have eaten from the trough, is the only way we might (and even then it would be a miracle) be able to change course.

We're not getting out by shopping at Whole Foods.

We're not getting out by putting solar panels on your roof.

We're not getting out by listening to people like Schmachtenberger intellectualize our way out of the need for revolution.

It's revolution or collapse.

And since revolution likely isn't going to happen, it's collapse."

https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1dv5lxg/do_you_think_collapse_is_100_unavoidable/

This is a pretty sane conversation on Reddit. Some realistic vision. See what you all think the "Reddit" crowd is thinking about the 6th Mass Extinction.

Do you think collapse is 100% unavoidable?

Knarf

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