Quote from: Nearings Fault on Jul 09, 2023, 11:09 AMHard to argue with any of that. I decided that I would work on the solutions which work and I want to see in the world. Just because people are being sold the green business as usual model does not mean that that model emerges or even should emerge. If 10 years from now millions of people have solar arrays with battery backup and electric cars that is a good thing. What they do with them at that point is up to them.aybe they create a world for themselves involving less stuff and commuting and waste. We do not know what happens next.

I'm all for prepping up best you can of course, and if you are amongst the lucky few with income enough to afford these techno marvels and have a type of work you can pursue within 25 miles of your home in a rural location, that's great.  The problem of course is one of numbers, and because such a limited subset of the population is in a position to achieve this level of resilience you end up with the social problems that upset the apple cart.

Just as a rising tide will lift all boats, so an ebbing tide will bring them all down.  At the risk of laying on the metaphors too thick, no man is an island.    Once a critical mass within a given country no longer has regular access to the energy that allows them to access and store food, to have lights to read by and keep the streets safe, to transport themselves to the workplace, one domino after the other begins to fall.  The businesses that relied on people who commuted to them fail from lack of personnel, the products and services they provided no longer are available, the economy collapses and even if you're out in the boonies with a charged up EV, there's no place to drive to still open for bizness.  Nowhere to buy the supplies you need to run your own bizness, no food superstores with anything on the shelf, no money that works to buy anything.

What percentage of the population has to be without sufficient energy for these basics of lights, food acquisition and storage and transportation for the cascade failure begins to spread through the society?  I'd wager less than 50%, but I would be surprised if we could even get 20% of the population up to your level, which at the moment doesn't include an EV car.  As I recall, your plan is to use Wood Gas for the transportation energy needs.

So, you and other Doomers with an equivalent level of preparation should do better than most, but the real question is what happens to the society surrounding you?  How does that reform and reconfigure, and can you stay insulated and removed from the chaos surrounding you?  What comes after?

Unanswerable questions of course, but still worth considering what part you would play, since your goal here is to survive the Zero Point.

RE