Quote from: K-Dog on Sep 26, 2024, 11:04 PM

QuoteBut what WASN'T mentioned was the application of Marx's ideas, as carried out by a devotee in Lenin,

Quite right that was not the subject of the video.

Hasn't been in any of the Communism videos I've perused to date. I've seen the idea advocated, but no one wants to discuss how it actually turns out....as compared to their claims of how it would look.

"I have this great idea...see!"
"Um..yes...sounds good...but the last couple times it was tried it turned out to be quite a pile of shit compared to what you are claiming will happen."
"Um...sure...but I don't want to talk about the demonstrated results of the idea because then you won't like it any more."

Quote from: K-Dog

QuoteThis is seemingly a common characteristic among advocates of Communism (or any other social control scheme really), a topic to be avoided certainly.

This is odd, you decide what should be in a video, perhaps you forget that Marx has a body of work that preceded Lenin's work, and that only Marxism is need to understand the subject which was resource wars.

I had to look up the entire Marx-Lenin-Stalinism-Maoism relationship after watching that video to figure out the temporal component and relationships. So I know Marx came first, and I also know how it evolved. And the consequences of that evolution. Sort of like the US...designed first for rich, white male property owners....and when slavery went away these same folks were happy with apartheid...and then the women got uppity and misogyny had to appear to go away...and then damnit apartheid got overturned by colored folks getting uppity in the 50's and 60's.....and pretty soon here we are...an oligarchy.

It would be nice if we could just take a cool idea we like and carve it in stone but human politics doesn't seem to work that way, they start with good theory and then evolve...in the example of communism, to some basic crap.

Quote from: K-DogLet me clarify something.  My only interest in Marxist-Leninism is to learn from it.  My interest in Communism is in American Communism.  China adapted communism.  They have Communism with Chinese Characteristics.  I want Communism with American characteristics.  I an not interested in giving speeches in long black leather coats, but if I do I'll look damn good.

And so we invent American communism....and we just assume it works out differently than all the other ones because...you know...American exceptionalism and all?

Quote from: K-Dog

QuoteWhen Communism in any of its applied forms arrives and inflicts itself upon the people you get the Holodomor!

No you do not.  Your statement is total bullshit.

I'll let you explain that one to the Ukranian history professors, because I'm pretty sure there isn't any conspiracy about who caused and what happened in the Holdomor.

Quote from: K-DogIf you mention Pol Pot and communism in the same sentence all you do is show ignorance.  Do some research on that yourself.  * I already have.

I certainly checked out their version of Mao's ideas...and Mao was as much about Communism as the rest of them. One party rule...communism like the USSR and China for sure...authoritarian....definately....a classless society...just like the USSR and China claimed...get rid of private property...I mean really....sure sounds like communism. The killing of people randomly and stuff fits right in as well. Forced collectivazation...holy cow that is like Stalin and Mao.

If they don't resemble the communisms that came earlier in their rules and structure and results...what were they?

Quote from: K-DogEverything looks Jim Dandy when you don't know very much about something.

I know. Been dealing with it related to peak oil for 20 years now. Unlike peak oilers pretending to know about oil, I admit that political distinctions sometimes appear as distinctions without differences.

Quote from: K-DogIt is called the Dunning Kruger Effect.  After you have read a few hundred pages of core socialist literature as I have we can discus feelings of 'Jim Dandy' then. 

Fair enough. Same applies to peak oilers, but a few hundred pages doesn't appear to be enough. 10,000 hours in two different professions in the related sciences might do it though.

But I'll admit that political distinctions to a math/science guy might look terribly exciting to more informed politically educated types, but looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....how does some political training convince me the duck is an elephant?

Quote from: K-DogWhen you can explain the origin of value we can have something to talk about. 

Value of what? How to have Communism and avoid Holdomors?

Quote from: K-DogBetter yet, explain in 25 words or less exactly what Marxism is.

Hell, I'm still stuck on a definition of value without looking it up. Let alone Marxism value...all I really need is folks who claimed to know it applied it across hundreds of millions of people and we can see the results writ large.

Quote from: K-DogYou know nothing of my ideas.  You speak of my ideas, but all you do is betray your own.

Oh now we're getting sideways. I don't know your ideas...philosophical ones anyway. As far as betraying my own, I agree, it should be as obvious that professionals in the field of scientific investigation can quite thoroughly test not just ideas within our area of expertise but others as well.  My ideas are confusion as to why some pretty basic questions only generate "go read some tomes and all will be clear" answers.

Quote from: K-DogYour last childish comment gets no response.  When you cut and pasted it in you forgot to remove the fucking quotes.

Excuse my lack of forum etiquette....you'll excuse me knowing in advance that I wasn't putting another article out in the GSA Geology publication. Their publication rules

Quote from: KDogYou can start to dig yourself out of your pit of ignorance with this:

I'll take a crack at it.

Some peak oil education here for those who don't even know about it being claimed before any of us in this forum were born.  Including that oil field hand that gave you all that insider info you depend on as opposed to the math, physics, geology and economics.