Quote from: RE on Nov 12, 2024, 11:51 AMIt is worthwhile though to get specifics on who knew what and when they knew it in terms of at some point perhaps assigning blame and prosecuting the managers, scientists and engineers who were instrumental in what will in due time be the largest Mass Murder of homo sapiens in history.

How about we do the same to humans in general? How about we start with people who could easily know if htey gave a shit, because it was being PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER, in 1912? How could oil companies like XOM hide something that was known right about the time Standard Oil broke up and formed the Seven Sisters?

Shit, a WOMAN in 1856, back when women were so subservient and stupid they weren't allowed to vote, PUBLISHED it.

In 1856 she published a paper notable for demonstrating the absorption of heat by CO2 and water vapor and hypothesizing that changing amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere would alter the climate. It was the first known publication in a scientific journal by an American woman in the field of physics.

So....what EXACTLY did oil companies and anyone who worked for them hide? And from WHO? Morons tht couldn't read? Never saw a library before in their life?

I would argue that every lard assed American, every American moron that couldn't be bothered to learn in school, and then went on to happily ignore the consequences of their big house, gas guzzling burning liquid fuels and heating their homes and cooking their food with natural gas should be indicted and convicted of whatever "being criminally stupid" brings.

People look in a mirror, confront their fossil fuel use knowing what it has meant SINCE 1857, and then what do people do? Happily jump into their liquid fuel burning cage and don't give a shit. People are getting what they deserve. XOM has never been in the business of educating stupid people. Seems unreasonable to convict them of.....people specializing in A) being willingly ignorant or B) not giving a rats ass.

You are better educated than most. Are you seriously arguing YOU didn't know about greenhouse gases as someone who knew Physics and Chemistry 101 from high school? Let alone an advanced degree? And knowing this, why didn't YOU recoil in horror at the idea of what your globe trotting as a young man, and later as a vorciferous consumer of diesel  just to move shit around, meant to the climate.

Because you didn't give a shit then anymore than anyone else.

And now...suddenly....you want revenge on oil producers because....they MADE you globe trot as a young man? They MADE you drive trucks? By...hiding information anyone who gave a shit already KNEW about?

What a novel legal argument. Maybe not...law is about finding someone to blame if only to shift that blame from someone (or some species) to easy targets. Like a child....caught with a candy bar they aren't allowed to have and pointing at the cat...."HE MADE ME DO IT!!!!" hoping the parents fall for it.