Quote from: K-Dog on Aug 30, 2025, 04:42 PMYou have to be high to know it is not a crime.

No, I am not railing through a 80mph corner on a racetrack waiting for the front or the rear to begin to slide. The only "high" I have ever known. Maybe winning cross country races in high school and college? That was pretty euphoric. But being so out of sorts that I need artificial help with feeling better? Nope.

In either case, my point was more, he isn't the first asshat President to do something that has been brushed back by the courts. Truman's seizures of steel mills? Roosevelts New Deal programs? I imagine someone in the moment might have thought those Presidential actions were out of the line, the courts did as well. Maybe even trumpeted high crimes and misdeameanors. So now its the Orange One's turn to see how far he can stretch his wings.

Crimes are also relevant within historical context. John Brown was hung for treason. But he was right. I imagine the opposite has happened as well.

American history is replete with not just our inconsistencies, but our need to lie, boast, bleat like sheep when we disagree and trumpet triumphs that involve killing off fellow citizens that aren't even considered bad in the moment.  1921 Tulsa Race massacre. Happy times for white folk!

America....land of the free and home of the brave. More like land we stole from the locals and then he who murdered the most along the way who had the most money made the rules.

Maybe folks need to be high to firmly insist on the a position or a side in this country, because cold hard logic sure isn't much fun when looking at current political leaders, or past ones.

A question among the more politically oriented....who was the last decent President? I mean, a DECENT person, someone most certainly not from our modern crop of scumbags and glad handers looking for power and prestige?

Jimmy Carter?