Quote from: K-Dog on Sep 12, 2025, 04:30 AMAn incel with too much time on his hands was obviously not the shooter.  The shooting was well planned.

Based on what is now being said, the shooter having surrendered himself, the one thing we now know is there was certainly some planning between him and buddy or two, and that he missed. The speculation from one of those Navy Seal experts that showed up on TV was that he didn't account for the elevation change, which makes perfect sense.

Something I know exists, but never came into play with the hunting or target shooting I've done. I was surprised by the size of the miss though, if indeed it was all because of the elevation difference.

I pulled out my last range targets with a bolt action 30-06 (I beleive the shooter used a Mauser?) at the 150 yard distance, where I fired 14 rounds. The first 9 were in groups of 3, and I used them to site in the rifle, and then the last 5 were for effect at 150 yards. On the final 5 shot group, on a rifle I hadn't fired in this century (step dad had it for a spare if his buddies didn't have theirs or whatever), the maximum vertical seperation was about 1.4 inches, the horizontal separation a little more, about 1.8 inches.

So close to 1 MOA (experts are looking for more 0.5 MOA or even 0.25 MOA on their target setups) and if you put those measures to your face, they are closer together than your eyes are side to side, and closer together than the tip of your nose to right around the bridge.

That is what can be expected from amatuers with zero experience across decades. So the miss here was HUGE compared to even amateur hour folks like me. Not always an amateur of course, but as I said...haven't used this gun much since I bought it in high school. Switched to woodlands hunting with a level action 44 magnum because I never needed to do long range (100+ yard) stuff except during groundhog season. And I had another 30-06 I liked better and used that instead. Or a pistol, just for practice.

The kid is young who did it. Haven't seen mention of his practicing beforehand yet, but I imagine it will come out through tales from his family and neighbors and the background info that GovCo is going to get ahold of.