Quote from: K-Dog on Jan 17, 2026, 06:25 PMQuoteI understand that you have been a collapse enthusiast from way back. After waiting for it probably all of this century, your only response is really only "just wait". We have been.
And collapse should adhere to your personal schedule why?
I have no requirement at all for a collapse schedule. I only note that incessant claims of it happening, in the past, present or future, are a characteristic of the doomer genre. And religions in general. An interesting correllation itself. I note that collapse is a powerful background driver across nearly all doomer type topics. I only even paid it any attention when I identified it as such a common driver within my area of expertise. Across decades of pushing into the "why" people fell for peak oil, turns out it was an easy answer. It was easily configured to feed a collapse scenario. Much more effective in a modern, interconnected and "educated" world than just pitching The Book of Revelations to the rubes. Koresh and Jim Jones and Heavens Gaters were all doomers, and made such an excellent pitch that people sacrificed themselves to their ideas.
I have no schedule for "collapse" (quotes to designate RE's accepted definition) at all. I am happy to acknowledge that it has happened before (just ask the dinosaurs) and is required to happen again (the Sun is getting lighter by 40 million tons a second). Within these completely reasonable concepts (throw in a decent GRB to if you'd like) there are these biological organisms living in a thin layer of organic material on the 3rd rock from our particular G-type yellow dwarf star who will be goners one way or another. Humans just seem to have a fascination with the how, why and when, going back millenium. I mark this up to nothing more than a recognition of mortality, both at the individual and species level.
Arguing over collapse is like two fleas arguing about if they can hold their breath longer than the human can stay when they dive into a pond and swim underwater. Just fleas....along for the ride.....
Quote from: K-DogCollapse is inherent in the material conditions of our civilization. The physics of these conditions determines how, and how fast collapse will play out. It is certainly not subject to our whims.
Not just our civilization. And of course the physics. Peak oil will follow physics as well, the enthusiasts just never understood what, if anything, bell shaped curves had to do with it.