Quote from: RE on Mar 12, 2026, 09:54 AMI'd hardly call mass deportations and ICE Gestapo murdering citizens no real consequences.

I didn't say ridiculous politic theater isn't a real consequence. I would say it isn't collapse. How many students died at Kent State? Because of idiot law enforcement activities doesn't a collapse make.

Quote from: REBombing Tehran back to the Stone Age is definitely consequential to the Iranians.  Oil tankers bottled up in the Persian Gulf has serious consequences for Chinese factories producing Iphones.

I agree it is consequential. Like idiot mortgage lenders in 2008, except without bombs. Consequential isn't collapse.

Quote from: REFar as outcomes go, it depends where you live how far along things are.

I agree. If you happen to live in Gaza, you are pretty collapsed. If you lived in Wehrmacht Germany, you were collapsed. All the times Troy was destroyed, probably aexcellent collapse.

All local events, which certainly isn't "societal collapse" as in not just local events. You mentioned an event sometime in past, where geneticists had determined that the human species had been down to like 25,000 breeding pairs or something in the past? THAT I can go for as collapse. Local examples are just local examples, which have always been with us, somewhere in the world.

Quote from: REIt'll get here in due time.
RE

Indeed. The Sun is getting lighter by 40 million tons every second. We are absolutety doomed. But as I have said before, and appears to be far more accurate than all the other doom claims to date, you, and me and K-Dog, our personal dooms are far more likely to arrive before any species level collapse. So for us this is all just jawboning, unless someone is hiding some cool personal collapse story, no food to eat, no health care, our German cars need shipped somewhere to get fixed, no electricity for my EV, whatever.