Quote from: RE on Jun 05, 2026, 09:05 AMFar as what Dentists give you for pain, it's usually oxycodone and the dosages they give you aren't enough to get you high.  Usually 5mg.  I take 10mg oxy 3 times a day, I don't get "woozy" at all and it barely scratches the pain.

You are in a situation where drugs, and the quantities of them are certainly useful. Never said they wwren't useful in the right situations, only that I don't understand the need/desire to take them leading to incoherence.

Quote from: REWay, way different than hallucinogens, which make you experience things more vividly as well as experience what is going on inside your own unconscious mind, which normally you can't experience.

So some folks take drugs to hallucinate in ways that just being a normal alkie or junkie can't experience? I know exactly how to experience things vividly without drugs, but it usually involves racetracks, or adrenaline in some way. Always find the time dilation feeling to be really interesting. 

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Quote from: RENot sure how a scientists perspective on drugs is any different than anyone else's, since many scientists use them, probably in similar numbers to the rest of the population.

Could be. After a career with them I've never seen it, but it is possible.

Quote from: REUntil you try it, it's a complete black box.
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I agree that those lacking experience with a thing, a feeling, a drug, a topic, can't say they have experienced it or maybe even understand it. Its exactly why PhD's can't get peak oil right, or Joe Average thinks they can do an appendectomy in a pinch, or experience on a rifle range as a child qualifies someone as a sniper in survival situations decades later.

Still, some folks think that they understand a topic or skill with no experience.

I will take your word and experience on how drugs can be great. I'll pass.