Quote from: K-Dog on Jun 20, 2026, 06:58 AMWe are obviously not going to agree about this, and I am not going to argue about it.  But I have one question for you.  Why would a spammer spam us?  There is no financial gain at all.  Why would a spammer want to be here.

We certainly might not agree on everything....there is no such requirement in the real world. My answer is your logic is faulty. You pose "why", and then argue no underlying financial motive. You forget....spammers are a bulk logic argument, there is no requirement of targeeting.

Quote from: K-DogYou live in the reality most Americans live in.  Ignorant.  Blissfully ignorant.

Well, I will agree that there are things I am ignorant of. But neither am I "most Americans". You and I have a net worth that guarentees that. And certainly I am not ignorant, let alone blissfully. We certainly might have different experiences on the way to where we got where we are, and none of mine run to "ignorant", blissfully or otherwise.

You are naturally conspiratorial. A perspective not unjustied by your claimed experience. From a clinical perspective, but one I've observed starting with peak oilers early this century. This particular characteristic exists as a common thread, and far beyond just peak oil. Folks didn't arrive at peak oil because PhDs were claiming it, but because Ruppert told them the government was covering it up, and 9/11 was part of it.

And then the internet arrived, and poured gasoline on every nutter idea in the known universe. Now anyone could prove anything they wanted, claim anything they wanted, social groups formed of folks who believed the same concept (like peak oil forums) but not JUST a concept, but the entire underlying imagined causes. A conspiracy. Conspiracy works...why? Because they exist. And are surely easier to suppose than when someone tries to tangle with my technical expertise.

Quote from: K-DogYou have never been gang-stalked and I have.

Depends on how we define gang stalking. My life was turned upside down by a prosecutor wanting to put me in jail. Tore my life apart. Did your gang stalkers come with subpeonas, confiscation of your property, hunt down everyone who knew you and officially interrogate them? I'd call that gang stalking.

Quote from: K-DogWere that ever to happen to you, then you would be in a unique position to see how things work.

If my gang stalking events happened to you, you would also be in a position to know how my gang stalking worked.

Quote from: K-DogYou, might actually wonder where all the billions in government dark money actually goes.

You might wonder where all your local and state taxes go, to hunt down innocent civilians who dared stay within the law when doing nothing more basic than defending themselves.

Quote from: K-DogAnd once seeing how things are done, you might be less inclined to spout off about shit you know nothing about when it happens again.

Well, I reserve the right to spout off on topics I have little or no experience with same as RE is allowed to spout off on topics he theorizes about. Minor surgery being one of my favorites. Or playing at being geologist. Or motorcycle expert. I love his La Longue Carabine stories best. But fundamentally, you are correct, someone never stood outside my house and watched as I went out. Well...not true....but they weren't trying to hide it.

Quote from: K-DogIt really is a perfect system, people like you are incapable of seeing what you don't want to see.  Personally I want the truth no matter how painful it is.

Oh, we all have our blind spots. Critical, analytic, logical thinking resulting in published science isn't one of mine. Has nothing to do with what I WANT to see...only to see what actually IS.

Science and having it within oneself to do it dispassionately is quite a tool, and can dispatch technical concepts like peak oil just as it can arguments based on supposition, hints, claims of spammers always being the MIB instead of exactly what they appear like, etc etc.

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You're just applying a label you soaked up like a sponge to dismiss something you don't understand.
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You don't have a clue what I don't understand. That was obvious the day you brought "some old Oklahoma guy who told you that conventional oil requires rod lift systems" into your argument many moons ago.

Your argument boils down to "if you don't beleive what I say you are the one who is blind". Might work in conspiracyland where it is swallowed hook, line and sinker, but I don't have the natural predisposition to take the bait without sniffing it first. Having it chemically analyzed. Modeling the fundamentals stochastically to find out of the odds of it being true. Etc etc.

Quote from: K-DogWhat part of 'untraceable surveillance' did you not understand?

* It is interesting how many people who have never had their own website can be so adamant in their belief that the American government would not do such a thing.  Surveil their own citizens without a warrant, heaven forbid.  It would never happen you say.

** In June 2013, Edward Snowden began disclosing classified documents which revealed, the existence of global surveillance programs by the U.S. government, and it's capabilities in cyberspace. 

Do you want to say it never happened?

I say I ran my own website for 4 years, in the earlier internet days.So you can assign that angle to someone else.

I say what Edward Snowden claimed absolutely happened.

I also might calculate odds that you being on the Federal governments radar, with all the power they can bring to bear, is possible. More likely they don't know you from Joe Blow on reddit complaining about his taxes. And that the odds of you just collecting spammers is 95/5 in favor of it being spammers.