Quote from: K-Dog on Jul 05, 2026, 08:46 AMAnd as far as you are concerned, you should know better than to deny my lived experience again.

A point that cuts both ways.

Quote from: K-DogPerhaps you were not aware that I had met them face to face and have talked to them.

I recall you mentioning that you talked to someone back...in the Bush years was it? In the someone following you days?

Quote from: K-DogI keep quiet about it knowing that nobody else is going to give a rip, but that does not change the fact that it happened.

I make no claim it hadn't happened. My erased points related to the logic of spammers wanting anything to do with this place, with foreign languages no less, and thinking they are anything other than spammers.

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QuoteThe sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.

Which is exactly what will happen if the actual reality and details of American Freedom are laid out before the average Joe Six Pack.

I don't believe that for a second. Joe Sixpack falls hook line and sinker for whatever they have a propensity for. Peak oil, alien lizard overlords, all government conspiracies (real or imagined), Charlie Kirk being killed by an exploding microphone (just learned this at LATOC), Guy McPherson and the BOE event....a decade ago....oops.

Please. Joe Sixpack. PhD's fall for nonsense with as much enthusiasm as amateur hour folks. I know a genius geologist who can sell BigFoot better than Ugo ever did peak oil. Joe Sixpack mostly see's what they WANT to believe first, what they are predisposed to fall for naturally. And it applies all the way up the ladder to PhD's as well. Or really smart folks who thought Tesla would do backrupt a decade ago. Brains/intelligence  aren't the determining factor. Can't say I know exactly what combination of talents are required, but you can usually figure it out after talking to someone on an interesting topic within 30 minutes. Ever XOM geologic researcher I've ever met hits on all cylinders. On the internet finding someone like that is 1:10000 at best. 21 years online and I've only found 1 in all my peak oil years, an engineer invovled in setting up LIGO. I know at least 2 dozen IRL, but my professional associations don't run to what populates the internet forums.

Quote from: K-DogIt happened to me, and I went mad with the revelation for a little while.  I found out America does not drive your daddy's Oldsmobile like you may think America does.  Not like you learned in school.

I never learned any of that in school, so nothing to get mad about I guess. And I didn't learn about what "America" was in school. Just the history they made you memorize in the books. My "America" was just trying to not end up like everyone around me in the holler.

Quote from: K-DogRE and I have not called this the F.S.O.A. for several years without reason.

Everyone has their reasons.