Quote from: RE on Aug 21, 2026, 10:30 PMI think an even bigger lie is that even many those who understand the science underpinning Climate Change think that if we all got together and agreed it's a real problem and did everything possible to stop it that we still can fix it.

I don't think that is a lie. Some folks actually do believe, others might have believed at one point, that AT SOME POINT IN TIME that progress was being made. As to how many of them of either type is irrelevant. Believers are just believers, they beleive in God to save them, they believe in peak oil because they can't be bothered to learn what it takes to know why even when it finally does happen it won't be the event they think it will be, they believe in whatever nonsense on climate change comes out of their favorite TV channel.

I don't myself believe it is even about BELIEVING, it is about the practical aspect of getting countries of the world to act. The United Nations isn't for shit, all problems and solutions are local, and results of climate change unevenly distributed. Which means some folks are already dying because of it, in some places. Wipe out America west of the Mississippi River and the rest of the world can still just shrug and say "well its because of those westernly winds in America, it won't hurt ANY OF US.

Typical faith based issues.  There is a reason why Apocalypticism is a millinnia old. And arguably has only showed up a time or two, and not even for the reasons claimed, which were usually about the Gods getting angry.

Quote from: REWhat does look increasingly more likely is that ever expanding warfare will destroy the infrastructure necessary for extracting, transporting, refining and burning FFs and global population of Homo Sap will begin its downward spiral until at some point there is less burning of FFs than there is sequestering of carbon through plant life regrowth and the CO2 concentration will start dropping.  This happy day is a long time in the future.  Nearer term, we're thoroughly fucked and it won't get fixed.

I think humans will continue using those fossil fuels just as they have since claims of the new Ice Age was announced back around 1970. We are slowly doing other things, my EV is about to be joined by a new 14kW solar system and whole house battery backup. The battery feeds the house overnight until the Sun comes up in the morning, the size of the battery and usage in the house at night become my only limiting factors on the electrical side.

The world won't change as fast as we like, but I think that rate of change isn't going to offset consequences at this point. But because the outcomes of climate change will not be evenly distributed, the halfwits who think it isn't true will use examples from one side of the outcome distribution, and and the other halfwits will use the other.

People just be people. In the old days it was religion, which is nothing more than a belief system, the best system of social control ever invented by man. Nowadays it is us versus thems, on whatever "it" might be.

And I think my comment stands that for the 3 of us regulars here, personal doom will get us before any actual collapse has the ability to. You can yearn for being around when the real deal arrives all you'd like, but odds are, at best, the 3 of us will only be able to see the windup.