Quote from: K-Dog on Sep 11, 2026, 02:27 PMYour math viewed in a mirror seems technically correct, but it is as morally hollow as an empty box.

Oh, now THIS is interesting.

Would you please elaborate for us your perspective on the morality of....MATH. 

We can start with the basics. Is 2+2=4, while technically correct, morally hollow? And if so...why? And if so, how do we tell why? Is 4-2=2 equally morally hollow because all the numbers, 2 two's and 1 four, involved regardless of order? Or is 4-2=2 NOT morally hollow because the sequence of the order matters?

Quote from: K-DogA society doesn't need mass extinction to collapse when nobody who matters cares enough to stop it.  Imagine you are hanging 100 feet in the air from a tree branch and it breaks.  Technically you are alive for 2.49 seconds.

Okay, technically you are alive for 2.49 seconds (I'll grant you the math skills to understand the linear acceleration involved to get the right answer on time (t) until impact across a given distance.

I am UNCLEAR as to the relationship between this example and morality however. Strikes me that morality isn't involved in either the branch breaking, nor the force of gravity accelerating someone to their doom. Yes....they are alive for a short period of time, technically, but as we all know, Divine Intervention has happened before...Jesus did come back from a worse fate you know.

Quote from: K-DogOn this website you are dead as soon as the branch breaks.  Get used to it.

I have no illusions about mortality. Morality however is entirely a different ball of wax.

Quote from: K-DogYou wait for bodies to pile up before acknowledging collapse.

Come on K-Dog, I didn't put out the definition of what a real collapse is, a disinterested 3rd party did. Just because someone HOPES for a thing to happen, doesn't mean it is, or will. Happens every NFL season. Every team NFL team has fans that claim they will win the Super Bowl. Some fans are correct. All the others wrong, that year. Apocalyticism exists because there is an idea that has come down through the ages.

I am only waiting for the definition to be met. It isn't HARD, technically more people have to pass away in a given year than are born. Low level "collapse", could be erased in another year or two. Easy-peasy, no morality involved. I am not a bad person for knowing what the BEGINNING of collapse is...I am just following the rules. Like those in math. No emotion, no pleasure or unhappiness in the math, no morality at all in math. It just...IS.

Apocalypticism is a REAL thing, and collapses have happened before, and are relatively rare. 

Quote from: K-DogWith that attitude I don't think it is possible for you to catch a train on time, any day in the week.

Attitude...please. It is math, logic and the dispassion of a professional scientist. I know when the train arrives, and am standing there waiting. I ride the Metro in DC quite effectively on any day of the week. Did it just last week.