Quote from: TDoS on Mar 29, 2026, 06:29 PMToo bad the Americans didn't express that intent during the War of 1948 very much. It certainly showed up through time though, and worked well, Israel now not the underdog but the military super power in the region,, with some help from its friends.

Israel didn't become a military juggernaut in a vacuum, the investment capital to do that came entirely from Amerikan, Brit, Swiss & (yes) German multinational banks, primarily the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, Lloyds, the BoE and the SNB.  This money began flowing in shortly after the Brits handed over Palestine to the  new Israeli goobermint, which had its roots in the Irgun and the political parties that grew out of it. https://www.lycoming.edu/schemata/pdfs/sellers.pdf 

Why were these banks so keen on lending gobs of money to a violent bunch of terrorists who right from the beginning were blowing up hotels and killing as many Arabs as they could?  It's not like they had a whole lot of collateral or high paying jobs.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out, despite the fact we're not privy to the minutes of the meetings prior to 1948.  Generally speaking, such things only become apparent in retrospect.

If you're going to misread history and draw faulty conclusions, it would be helpful if you actually knew the history a little better.  You might at least watch Exodus for the sanitized propaganda version anyhow.


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Raskin's letter in that last one is worth looking at.  This next article is from the same theme of Trump is letting the Saudis buy America for a fee with billionaire money in front to hide what is going on.  And that is the blunt truth.

QuoteThe internet has been a disaster for the truth, but wonderous for finding any opinion that agrees with one self, and presto! Proof! ----- As far as more articles, hey, this is the internet.

Ok then, rather than appeal again to the voluminous mountain of facts which like Trump you will dismiss. I'll tell you why going in this direction any further will get you in the cooler.

My father's father was a minister of a church.  As you might guess I was raised in a slightly religious atmosphere.  The church I attended as a child often had guest speakers.  Ministers of churches from the heart of Africa with thick accents I could hardly understand.  Skin as black as ink.  There were also guest speakers from Israel.  European and friendly, hardly different from Americans it seemed.  I forgot what international conflict exposed the Zionist speakers as the racist bigots they are.  But it happened, and after that it was only the black ministers from Africa with their thick accents that were invited to the church.

Jews are not in charge of Israel, Zionists are in charge, and while most Zionists are Jews, not all Jews are rabid racist Zionists.  Most are not.  And I have known that for more than fifty years.  The passing decades have only confirmed the facts, in particular the last three years have.  So don't push your luck.  You won't have any.

Quote from: K-Dog on Mar 29, 2026, 06:07 PMI thought you could read.  Maybe a few more articles will help.  One of them might have a more appropriate vocabulary for you.

Anybody can read. I tend to stick to thinking about what I read, watching out for biased opinions against facts. For example, anyone pretending May 15 signifies ethnic cleansing of a people that attempted to exterminate their neighbor  with the help of 5 entire naitons helping out is trying to set a narrative. Thinking reveals this easily. Rather than taking the narrative hook, line and sinker. Certainly their was ethnic cleansing involved. And those with that idea in mind had the tables turned on them, I certainly agree.

Punished for the sins of their fathers and grand fathers. As far as more articles, hey, this is the internet. Any perspective, particularly those on social topics or suspect humans, ain't science. And guess what? Science doesn't work either, as I have demonstrated again and again through the years. People find the information they want, and reference it.

The internet has been a disaster for the truth, but wonderous for finding any opinion that agrees with one self, and presto! Proof!

Just look at folks like Gail, Ugo, Charlie and everyone else who dared venture forth without at least ASKING what might torpedo their internet musings.

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 29, 2026, 06:29 PMWe don't know yet. Certainly the consequences of Iran surviving his attack probably won't relieve the pressure on the economy, as apparently the Iranians are already demanding nice amounts of coin to let some through. Unlikely that his mistake will cause the Americans to be dislodged from their homeland, or just murdered off.

We know yet for the simple reason that there is nothing to be gained in this mess for America.  No benefit,  nothing at all.  All this war does is benefit Trump and family.  America gains nothing.

QuoteUnlikely that his mistake will cause the Americans to be dislodged from their homeland, or just murdered off.

This is a logical fallacy.  An extreme straw man argument.  By shifting the conversation to the "homeland" not being destroyed, TDoS is attempting to minimize a valid criticism (that the war has no benefit and high economic costs) by comparing it to an impossibly high bar for failure. The total annihilation of the United States.

Quote from: RE on Mar 29, 2026, 05:25 PM

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 29, 2026, 04:19 PMBOY was sucking at war you started a mistake.

A lesson Trumpolini obviously never learned.

We don't know yet. Certainly the consequences of Iran surviving his attack probably won't relieve the pressure on the economy, as apparently the Iranians are already demanding nice amounts of coin to let some through. Unlikely that his mistake will cause the Americans to be dislodged from their homeland, or just murdered off.

Quote from: REThe real mistake was the Brits giving Palestine to the European Jews as a homeland.  Dropping them smack in the middle of their mortal enemies.  They could have  just as easily handed them the South Island of New Zealand where almost nobody was living in 1944.  Just the Brits and Amerikans wanted a beachhead in MENA from which they could control Oil flowing from MENA.  Populating it with Zionists who would build a military state was the way to do that.

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Too bad the Americans didn't express that intent during the War of 1948 very much. It certainly showed up through time though, and worked well, Israel now not the underdog but the military super power in the region,, with some help from its friends.

QuoteThey could have  just as easily handed them the South Island of New Zealand where almost nobody was living in 1944.  Just the Brits and Amerikans wanted a beachhead in MENA from which they could control Oil flowing from MENA.

When young I found out that all of Israel could fit in Arizona 12 times over.  I figured the whole Jew - Arab fight could be solved by making an exact copy of Israel in the western United States.  New Jerusalem with copies of all the religious sites.  Reconstructing the dead sea would be no big deal in our western desert.  I think I was about 12 years old when I came up with the plan.  It would be a 1:1 scale theme park.  Everybody be happy.

But as an adult I know that for some people, having a problem is more important than solving it.

Quote from: TDoS on Mar 29, 2026, 04:19 PM

Quote from: K-DogEvery year on May 15, Palestinians around the world mark the Nakba, or catastrophe, referring to the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948.

The losers of wars often have different perspctives on what actually happened compared to the winners.

It would be more accurate if they marked the attempt to ethnically cleanse the Jews with the help of 5 Arab nations and BOY was sucking at war you started a mistake. No different than what the Japanese must celebrate on December 7th each year. Great victory! As opposed to each Auguust 6th or 9th.


The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948, the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents.

I thought you could read.  Maybe a few more articles will help.  One of them might have a more appropriate vocabulary for you.

This is getting a little closer to the Best Case Outcome for the oncoming shitstorm.  The Worst Case Outcome is Global Famine, Riots & civil Wars, Food & Fuel rationing, shortages of basic medicines like Insulin and Antibiotics, and rampant disease epidemics.

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Quote from: TDoS on Mar 29, 2026, 04:19 PMBOY was sucking at war you started a mistake.

A lesson Trumpolini obviously never learned.

Actually, the Japanese & the Germans were quite good at war.  Their mistake was that they were up against opponents with more resources and larger populations and they bit off more than they could chew.  Had the Germans not gone after Russia and the Japanese stuck to taking over China, the outcome would have been quite different.

The real mistake was the Brits giving Palestine to the European Jews as a homeland.  Dropping them smack in the middle of their mortal enemies.  They could have  just as easily handed them the South Island of New Zealand where almost nobody was living in 1944.  Just the Brits and Amerikans wanted a beachhead in MENA from which they could control Oil flowing from MENA.  Populating it with Zionists who would build a military state was the way to do that.

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