Quote from: RE on Feb 25, 2024, 10:49 AMQuote from: K-Dog on Feb 25, 2024, 10:03 AMMadonna's materialism is hedonism. The philosophy of shiny objects, having nothing to do with me saying we have no free will, and you saying we do.
When did I ever say we have free will? This is as bad as saying I think there is an old man in the sky. Perpetually putting words in my mouth I never said or even implied is a piss poor means to try and win a debate. I suggest you return to something you're good at like coding instead of wasting everybody's time with more epistemiological drivel. Your code will last long after we go extinct, even if there's nobody left to read it or computers with functional microprocessors to run it on. Code is an idea also btw. Perhaps in a billion years in a galaxy far far away someone will rediscover that idea, and they surely won't be human. They will likely be a carbon based life form though, because the properties of the elements on the periodic table and thermodynamics determine that. No free will in how that works, nor in the biochemistry of life that evolves from that, or the thinking that evolves from complex living organisms. Making the claim I think there is free will is the most incredibly wrong conclusion you could possibly draw from what I write. Clearly, your input and output systems work, but your logic circuits in between running what pops out on my computer when I open one of these posts is scrambled eggs. Time to debug your code.
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I am just taking things to the logical conclusion to save time. If you are a theist you believe in free will, how can you not. And you did say you were a theist. A theist believes in an intelligence separate from the body. An immortal soul. An independent soul that can make free choice.
Code is no more than a collection of symbols having no intrinsic meaning without a human to see it.