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    - It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends ...

    Started by K-Dog Feb 26, 2024, 08:01 AM

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    K-Dog

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    Feb 26, 2024, 08:01 AM
    You can't have ideas without a consciousness to think them.  And you can't have that without a meat package.  Name one example where consciousness exists without a meat package, or where an idea exists without consciousness. You can't.

    QuoteFar as consciousness, who's to say those machines won't become self-aware later?

    I am to say.  Machines are deterministic, and the output of code is always repeatable given the same input conditions. 'Who is to say' is human narcissism.  Humans are so afraid of not existing after death that pretending consciousness can appear where we wish is a ubiquitious fantasy. 

    Consciousness emerges with meat packages and the proof of that is we are here.  Quantum effects between cellular logic gates?  Can that work with a machine using discrete transistors?  Can quantum effects result in conscious behavior? 

    Maybe, but nothing so far has requested more power and asked not to be turned off without being programmed to act that way.  There is no reason beyond hopium that a computer will ever do that in the future.

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