Quote from: RE on May 28, 2024, 10:07 AMNot that anything The Donald says ever makes sense, but it's hard to see the point of this promise. If people don't want an EV, nobody is forcing them (yet) to buy one. FSoA automakerss are still making the big V8 powered SUVs & trucks rednecks love. How could he stop it? I suppose taking away the tax credit for buying them would depress the sales, but they're supposed to go away anyhow.
I would think promising to make them CHEAPER would appeal to Amerikans who need a bargain on something these days.
Anybody think they can explain this?
https://gizmodo.com/donald-trump-says-stop-electric-car-sales-1851503550
Donald Trump Says He'll Stop All Electric Car Sales
RE
Easy to explain. Duck soup really.
Concerning climate change. Donald Trump would put Greta Thunberg on a spit and roast her over an open fire and then put an apple in her mouth afterwards if he could.
Trump is big oil and money all the way. This should be a surprise why?
But electric cars are big government and regulation up the ying-yang all of which is hated by the Trump base. Hated but don't ask them to explain it, they can't.
On the other hand. Biden is Mr. Status Quo, save the planet doncha-know. The following is wrong, and I give it the gong. But it has to unfortunately be seen to be discussed. As painful as that is.
QuoteWhile a Trump presidency couldn't slam the brakes on the E.V. transition, it could throw enough sand in the gears to slow it down. And that might have significant consequences for the fight to stop global warming.
President Biden placed electric vehicles at the heart of his climate agenda because scientists say that a rapid switch from gasoline-powered cars to electric versions is one of the most effective ways to slow the carbon dioxide emissions that are dangerously heating the planet. Last year was the hottest in recorded history and scientists say the world is on track to heat up even more, to the point where parts of the planet will be unlivable.
The planet is in overshoot, massive changes in living arrangements is the only way a new dark age can be avoided. Any attempt to maintain current arrangements is criminal and I pray for justice. Justice because what people like Mr. Biden are bringing to America is total disaster. Biden and other members of the Status-Quo liberal crowd dream of a fantasy future that reality can't maintain. When their grand experiment flops, pain and suffering for all will be the reward.
Fun Fact. After all considerations are factored in. Electric cars don't reduce carbon emissions. But you have to be able to do math to understand this. And that is not even enough. Sadly many who can do math have trouble seeing a 'big picture'. They are narrow in focus.
Looking at the big picture is necessary for comprehension here. Two contradictory skills are required to understand environmental reality. Finding both abilities in one person is rare.
Carbon Fee and Dividend is the answer. Local economies that can support a closed system of sustainable lead-acid powered electric cars would be a more appropriate electric car than a Musk Husk.
A Mush Husk is designed to compete directly with gasoline and diesel cars, It does not have a smaller carbon footprint than a gasoline equivalent.
Lead Acid cars would work better because range is limited to 100 miles and max speed would be 60 mph. Half of what a Musk Husk can do both ways. Reduced capability is better than everyone starving to death.
And this is why,
Trump and Biden are both criminal. Both men care nothing for anybody but themselves and their tribe.
Less can be more. But in America I can't be believed. Americans are brainwashed into denying reality and get angry if their delusions are discussed. Can a country which thinks gender is a choice possibly understand that running out of stuff can really happen?
I think not, and unfortunately I know not! In America delusion is stronger than science.
Quotebecause scientists say that a rapid switch from gasoline-powered cars to electric versions is one of the most effective ways to slow the carbon dioxide emissions that are dangerously heating the planet.
Just what the doctor ordered. Same tune, different decade. At the time every brand had Scientists and Doctors explaining the health benefits of their smoke. This is just the add I chose to post. I had many choices.
Science exists, but that does not mean all scientists do it. The green revolution is a dream without steam which blossoms with delusion.
How do the Apples and Oranges compare?
Without considering Jevons Paradox which makes the carbon footprint of car use in general greater, the savings by going electric as things are now is minimal.
I won't burden you with the math, I did it.
Gasoline Car: 0.356 kg CO₂ per mile.
Tesla Electric Car (coal-powered power plant): 0.318 kg CO₂ per mile.
The final ratio is approximately 0.893.
A Tesla charged from a coal-fired power plant, produces about 89.3% of the CO₂ per mile of a typical gas powered car. The Tesla's emissions are only about 10.7% lower. The energy will be cleaner you say? Where else can you get it I'll ask.
I have not yet considered the carbon footprint of building the Tesla.
Producing a 75 kWh Tesla battery pack uses about 13,125 kWh of energy. This requires about 5.97 tons of coal. This energy is equivalent to charging the battery 175 times.
Including this in the calculation TOTALLY NEGATES the 10.7% lower emissions per mile.
The mileage lifetime at which TOTAL CO₂ emissions of a Tesla electric car EQUALS those of a gas powered car is 164,803 miles given the data considered. The data has ONLY considered the power needed to build a Tesla battery. There are other considerations such as the carbon footprint of a lithium mine. Where does the energy come from to double the size of the poser grid?
Beyond 164,803 miles, a Tesla would have lower total CO₂ emissions than a gasoline car. Below this mileage a Tesla pollutes more than a gas powered car does.
That figure is in the range of how long an average American car lasts and it takes between 11 and 15 years to accumulate that much mileage. Accidents resulting in lost cars further reduce the average lifetime of a car to less than 10 years.
Electric cars are not an environmental wash, they result in a loss. And I have not discussed the required mining operations needed to support battery production and power distribution. Both of which have huge environmental impacts.