Health care and the first green revolution created collapse in the first place. Keeping people alive with more health care than we have now increases the human load on the planet and accelerates collapse.
People had the stupidity to cause collapse for aeons. But they did not have the means. Nature kept things in check. Then the Faber process and modern medicine gave humanity the ability to destroy itself.
Art Berman made a Doomstead Diner point yesterday in the video I posted. it goes like this:
QuoteIf you think you have a great idea to avert collapse you don't have to tell me what it is. I already know it is a bad idea. I don't have to know what it is.
And that is exactly why we have this thread. And the more an idea excites you, the more probable it is that it can't work.
Ideas are coming up to 'solve' collapse all the time. That can't happen. There is no magic bullet that can fix the clusterfuck of OVERSHOOT problems which human stupidity has caused, and which we at the Diner summarize as collapse. Tech can't be the answer because tech is causing collapse. Tech put humanity into overshoot. AI is tech, and all AI can do is accelerate collapse.
The point of the Garden Of Eden story is simple and many won't agree with me, but all it means is that there are limits in life, forbidden things. Humans have a natural tendency to think they are the center of the universe. Humans need the lesson. The century of the self has been extended. Left to our own devices we stare into ponds and think we are beautiful.
Humanity was kicked out of the garden because humanity is immature and can't follow rules. Thou shall not. Pacific Islanders refined the concept of limits into 'taboos' to better manage their limited island resources. Consequences of violating a taboo were severe.
Taboos serve as a way to regulate behavior and maintain social order. But in America we do not have taboos. The modern world needs limits, but there is great disdain at the notion. Taboos are primitive and superstitious. Taboos have no place in the modern world. Ask anyone in a suit, they will agree. Here in Merica everyone gets to live to their full potential. Ask any of the lucky few who do. They will agree.
Tech dudes create stuff, but creators of stuff are not the same people who use stuff *. An alien would say, those monkeys have guns.
Smart monkeys makes stuff and dumb monkeys use it. This results in doom. The results of doom demonstrating the smart monkeys are not so smart.
* Alienation, and Fetishism of Commodities is related to reification, where social relations are conceived as actual relations between things with real existence. In the mind, thought and the conclusions of thought become real. Users become alienated from the realities of the actual production of objects. Objects appear to be brought into existence without using labor or resources. Money magically creates, allowing people to live in delusions of their own making.