Quote from: RE on Jun 30, 2023, 06:34 PMI think most of us here are agreed we need to restructure society in order to have any chance of at least bringing the non stop degradation of the environment under control, even if we can't reverse what has already been done. This brings with it a new set of questions.
1- What are the changes that need to be made, and in what order?
2- How do you go about implementing these changes?
3- What means would be most effective for getting the changes made?
4- What are the negative consequences of making the changes?
5- How do you get people to accept these consequences?
6- Who are the people/groups with the best chance of getting the process started, and how do you enlist them in the effort?
7- How do you make this a global effort with cooperation from all countries?
Pretty tough questions.
RE
Yes, very hard questions and we will get back to this. (without getting arrested) I'm convinced a strong labor movement is essential to developing a new community centered focus. Community focus and proletariat control must be a cornerstone of any movement away from elite narrow minded self-centered rule.
Listening to Richard Wolf is like breathing fresh air.
France:
QuoteDemonstrations strikes all kinds a range of activities showing that the majority of the people are saying something very profound namely this and this is not properly reported in the American Press the French government the ruling class of the French businesses has made a mess of the French economy and once one dimension of that mess is the broken budget. They spend more money than they tax it's a little bit like the United States in that regard okay and they've been borrowing a lot of money building up the country's debt kind of like the United States and they don't want to keep doing that because that's costly that if you keep raising the debt then you have to tax your people more and more to pay off the interest on that debt to whoever you borrowed the money from to simple rule of the capitalist economic system so they wanted to stop borrowing money and they had to come up there for with another way to manage their budget and they came up with one they're gonna deprive elderly workers who normally under French law for decades have the right to retire at age 62 say to them you cannot retire even if you have paid into your pension in their equivalent of the social security system for your entire working life you've made all your plans you've arranged where you live or your relationship to your children all the rest to retire at 62 no President macron says you won't be able to we're going to keep you working another two years until you're 64. During those years you will be putting money in to the pension program like all workers do instead of pulling money out in simple English solve the problem that the ruling class messed up its Budget on the backs of the working class and everyone in France knows it it can't hide you know why because all the language of the big fancy press making it look like in the words of President Michael we are reforming the pension system no you're not you're ripping it off because they have socialist and Communists and anti-capitalist newspapers and schools they can give a different interpretation and so the people of France get oh yeah they're taking away my pension
On our side of the pond we don't get the 'different interpretation'.
The unrest was most severe on the evenings of Thursday, Friday and Saturday. In this time span, there have been approximately 2,186 arrests, 3,500 burned vehicles, and 168 attacks on police premises.
That last blurb was from POX news who portray the riots as the result of the killing of a teen of North African heritage.
No, POX news, this is not a George Floyd sort of thing though such a thing might have been the trigger. Chris Hedges explains it well. I recall him saying that when things get tense any sort of spark can start a rebellion.
POX news is in the sheep management business. They prefer not using the word 'labor' in a sentence.
* shooting from the hip I'd say 3,500 burned vehicles lined up bumper to bumper would make a line over 10 miles long.