Quote from: K-Dog on Apr 06, 2025, 09:55 AM

Quoteou are better educated than most. Are you seriously arguing YOU didn't know about greenhouse gases as someone who knew Physics and Chemistry 101 from high school?

And here is where you shoot yourself in the foot.  RE and I have both known about greenhouse gasses peak oil, and our impending collapse for a long time now.  Ever since the moment we learned the facts we have bitched for change.  Evidenced by the fact that we are fucking here.

Not sure how I shoot myself in the foot. I certainly didn't say anything about collapse. I found the idea amusing that company personnel or the company itself should be held legally liable for common knowledge. Why don't we advocate for jailing folks for knowing that candy has sugar in it and causes diabetes? Not the people eating it of course, but those who DARED put the sugar in, labeled the food appropriately, and then had the audacity to sell it to those of us who pretended it was their fault for making it as opposed to ours for eating it?

As far as"bitching", in your case did it involve any tangible results? Solar panels on the roof, perhaps you converted your Benz to an EV after purchasing them, you use a wood stove instead of a heat pump or gas fired furnace?

Quote from: K-DogAnd your role appears to be to show up, and throw sand in our gears.  And deny reality.

Well, I've been showing up to watch RE longer than you have, and no one I know of considers being better informed on the timing of a thing is denying reality.

Quote from: K-Dog* Not asking for sympathy but I was about 12 - 14 years old when I figured out that A) Society depended on gas going into cars, and without it everything stops because all the horses are gone. & B)  The big lakes of gasoline hiding between grains of sand in the ground had to run out.  And C) Oh shit everybody dies.  What was I to do with this information?

Damn, you knew geology stuff before I even knew what geology was!

Never learned the "everybody dies" part (other than natural human mortality) because I was good at the entire survive without fossil fuels thing on the farm. I loved riding the horses. They just needed the hay mostly.

Quote from: K-Dog** And I was about 12 when my father made it crystal clear to me that just because everyone else was doing something was no excuse for me doing it.

My father was a murderer and didn't teach me anything.

Quote from: K-DogYour argument falls apart on those grounds.  Sometimes a person stopped for speeding will point out that they were just doing what everyone else was doing.  Officers are unruffled and simply agree with a : "Yes, but you are the one I stopped."

Not sure I made an argument. Just a point.

RE wants to prosecute people for knowing something. Worse yet, for something that was commmon knowledge before the company he wants to prosecute even existed. 

I'm glad your father taught you stuff. When mine fired off some rounds through the plate glass front window at my grandparents house where we lived it only taught me to learn how to use a firearm better than that asshat. He was probably drunk, but still. Fucker couldn't deliver results for shit. Maybe that is a lesson I learned from him? Certainly reversed that family trait.