Quote from: K-Dog on Aug 12, 2023, 11:30 PM

Quote from: RE on Aug 12, 2023, 06:36 PM

Quote from: K-Dog on Aug 12, 2023, 10:05 AMMy point is humans are not killing the planet.  The planet is going to sneeze and when it does and we are gone the planet will not be dead.  The planet will be fine.  Just like George Carlin said it would.  Thinking we are killing the planet is hubris.  Thinking we are killing the planet leads to thinking we can fix our climate predicament with GEOENGINEERING

Actually, Homo Sap is a planetary recycling machine GAIA developed in order to take millions of years of carbon waste left by living organisms in the ground when they died.  Homo Sap takes this waste product and returns it to the atmosphere as CO₂ so that it can be reused by a new generation of photosynthetic organisms.

Once HS has finished the job of recycling all the waste carbon into the atmosphere, most of the individual recycling machines will themselves be recycled.

RE

Life has evolved to the point where dead matter is fully recycled by microbes. 

At times in the past, plants died and fell into an anaerobic environment where bodies just piled up.  The carbon eventually was locked into kerogen until a rock overburden became thick enough for the temperature to rise.  At elevated temperatures kerogen becomes gas and oil. 

As we don't have much in the way of anaerobic environments, microbes decompose most dead matter and free carbon that is extracted from the atmosphere.  Volcanoes can supply extra CO2 as they have in the past when volcanic CO2 caused mass extinctions.  People are as unnecessary as mosquitos.





Dirty as fuck, the EROEI can't be good.

But our new royalty won't care about EROEI.  They will have slaves to get their energy.  Maybe 20,000 each?

QuoteThe estimate of technically recoverable oil shale resources in the Green River Formation is substantial, with various assessments indicating potential quantities in the range of hundreds of billions to over a trillion barrels of oil equivalent.

Good to know right?!

So America gots FUTURE !

Barring nuclear war.

As an experienced doomer -> I will NOT predict SHTF when America passes peak shale oil.  Previous oil crisis has taught us that existing arrangements are maintained with surprising vigor.  Plenty of the almost creative type shine, when it comes to imitating existing arrangements.  With the almost creative types  outnumbering the innovativly creative by a 10:1 ratio, existing arrangements will be maintained.

Let the almost creative take note:  Estonia leads the way:,



Estonia needs a plan – and support – to get rid of its dirty oil shale

This only means saved for later.  And it is not going to happen.  Sorry to tell you this Stan, but there will be no plan.

On the upside, in the future only slaves will have to walk.

A trillion barrels of oil equivalent will keep the 1% on top for a few hundred years.  A 2016 estimate of global deposits set the total world resources of oil shale equivalent of 6.05 trillion barrels (962 billion cubic metres) of oil in place.

Northern latitudes will resemble French Guiana.  With their tropical diseases, but without their jungle.

Devils Island Earth

And Devils Island?  Nobody will be there.  Fatal wet bulb temps will predominate.

* oil produced from oil shale is not the same as fracked oil or gas.  Kerogen must be heated to create oil and gas.

Shale Oil is an inferior fuel, but since that is all humanity will have for cheap energy, it will be used.  Slaves with skill will inject hydrogen into the kerogen cracking process to fossil fuel yield.