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Quote from: TDoSWhat is the expected population decrease this year from all the dooms you can round up in the news so far this year? A 1% drop? 5%? Come on....doom as malaise and recessions is all fine and dandy for pretenders, but the two of you KNOW better than to think anyone who is a quant and has already listed definitions including a population drop involved necessary to even get the ball rolling...as opposed to just posting bad news (has there ever been a year that DIDN'T have bad news?).

1 to 5 % is reasonable.  I'll have a firm opinion after the harvest comes in.  But no matter about that because you are like Elon, you will ignore anything that does not fit your narrative.

Yes, that is what scientists always do, we make up an answer we like, publish that, and everyone accepts our professional opinion because hey! We're scientists!

Give me a break. I don't do random faith based random "narratives". We've already established all those peak oil nutters did that, but not us serious educated "dealt with a billionaire" folks.

What kind of exposure do you think the ideas either of you espouse here face? Each other, and me. I make a statement by publishing? I've got 1000 academics with PhD's smarter than either of you looking to rip it apart because, you know, they don't like folks being smarty pants with attitudes anymore than internet denizens like someone who knew peak oil was crock who keep showing up to rub it in after the fact.

Quote from: K-DogHe never gets counted.  Regardless of the actual chain of events he measures only as a statistic.  Setting a one to 1% to 5% population decrease figure as a quantitative threshold to separate systemic collapse from garden-variety bad news is totally unreasonable.  And heartless as fuck.

I don't do quantification of sympathy....I do more hard science, and that involves numbers as opposed to feelings. Look where feelings got the peak oilers. Oh right...WHAT peak oilers.

Quote from: K-DogThe human cost happens entirely off the books, long before any 1% to 5% threshold is reached.

I agree. Shitty lives are shitty lives. Politicians creating these lives are themselves shitty. But they aren't collapse. They are shitty lives. Is that a cost of the idiots in charge running amuck making sure the oligarches can mmonetize everything in sight? Yes. But it isn't collapse either. Its straight up scumbaggery.

Quote from: K-DogIt is pointless to argue with your sociopathic ass.  RE and I have better things to do. Now I am going to go do one of them.

It is good to have hobbys. I put another motorcycle up for sale, boy is thinking about the Coast Guard and I'm training in the ways of a wanna be athlete, daughter is selling her house, and I'm on one of those normal "ain't been done before" modeling projects going on, etc etc.