Quote from: TDoS on Nov 07, 2026, 07:32 PMQuote from: K-DogIt is time to return to these radical days when the idea of property was questioned. When we were younger things made more sense, but the digital age has destroyed the compromised illusions under which we were taught to dance.
I agree with K-Dog. Under capitalism, ownership of high value things like housing is not merely personal consumption but a form of private property that concentrates wealth and reinforces class distinctions. As Karl Marx argued, the proletariat must use political power to "wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie" and centralize economic resources for the benefit of society. Homes valued above, say, $1,000,000 represent an unequal concentration of housing wealth far beyond ordinary personal need. Therefore, the state should confiscate the excess value of such properties and redirect it toward public housing, social services, and the common good. Thereby reducing class inequality and advancing the abolition of bourgeois privilege. Seems reasonable to make sure the higher net wealth individuals, with much of their upper class attitude being driven by their private property value, should be first in line. It is only fair.
Fuck you, you don't agree with me at all. You are playing a game pretending to agree. And you are taking a hard piss on the historical record and distorting what Marx was about. The fact that you can freely quote Marx, and at the same time mercilessly distort the historical facts and his meaning, shows you have diabolical intent.
The following in not intended for your benefit. You are clearly here to distort reality and are beyond hope.
What socialists mean by "property" And what they don't. The claim that socialists want to "take away your property" rests on a deliberate confusion between two completely different things.
Private property means ownership of the means of production — the factories, banks, mines, energy grids, and corporate empires through which a tiny class extracts profit from the labor of everyone else. This is not "property" in any ordinary sense. It is a claim of ownership over other people's work. A handful of billionaires own more wealth than the bottom half of humanity, and they did not earn it, workers did.
Socialism means that the productive wealth of society, which is created collectively, should be owned and controlled collectively, for the benefit of all, rather than hoarded by a parasitic few.
Personal property is something else entirely. 100% different. Things you actually use and live with, a home, cars, clothes, books, computers, your savings. Everything that wages earn. Socialists have never proposed abolishing any of this, and no serious reading of Marx ever suggests otherwise. The Communist Manifesto itself, which is routinely quoted out of context to smear socialists, explicitly distinguishes the abolition of private property in the means of production from the possessions of ordinary people.
So let's take the specific case being raised: my home which I know damn well you are going after TDoS. If you are not going after my car, you are going after my house.
I own it because I worked for it, by wages earned over years of labor. The home is personal property, and under socialism it remains mine. And every fucking thing you have remains yours.
Socialism targets not the home a worker lives in, but the system in which a landlord or a bank or a speculator can own other people's housing as an investment. The capitalist bullshit that makes homes like mine worth a million on paper, and which through capitalist bullshit makes houses unaffordable to workers. Buying up homes to extract rent, driving up prices, and profiting from a basic human need. A person who owns one home to live in is not the enemy of the working class. The person who owns a thousand homes to rent out is a motherfucking asshole.
Now a reverse and real "property seizure" is happening today and it is the other way around from what you claim 'lefties' would do. You want to make people afraid that socialists will take away their shit. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Working people's wages, savings, and homes are taken from them by banks, landlords, and a financial system that treats shelter as a commodity today. Socialism is the demand that this stop. That the wealth workers create be returned to the people who create it.
Owning a home is not a contradiction of socialist or communist politics. It isn't. A worker who owns the home they live in is not a capitalist. They are a worker who managed to buy shelter.
And if America were to embrace socialist principles and if as a result that, the shelter value I live in fell from what is on paper a million dollars to a more appropriate value that represents thirty years of labor, say $400 K instead of $1,000 K. I would be fine with it.
A person who owns one home to live in has a use for it. A person who owns a thousand homes has a price for them.