Quote from: RE on Dec 31, 2023, 10:04 PMOwning an RV was a precaution against ending up homeless, as well as a way to live cheap once I retired.

So when you called the RV a bugout machine you didn't mean it? 30 seconds in.

Quote from: TDoSHow about some optimism?

Quote from: REI don't see any good reason for optimism.  The economy is a mess, the world is swimming in irredeemable debt and while 2024 may not be "the big one", I find no reason to think things will get any better over the year.
RE

Well sure, optimism can be a little hard to come by in the present, but just think about all the years of life and running around you've gotten since all the collapses dodged or not occurred? And I never said things get better, or that getting better is the reason for optimism. The reason for optimism is because we all made it through the last big claimed collapse point, and have lived reasonably non-eaten-by-cannibals lives since then. This gem of a Frostbite falls rant is wonderfully statistics filled from 8 years back or so. It is great...and upon comparing the ideas therein, with the reality that followed, you can't ooze a LITTLE optimism? Because we is all still here! Water comes and goes as it often has (remember the Hoover damn level watching way back when...did it ever get to dead pool status?) and that means it has been more and more years of not being eaten by our fitter and stronger and better armed neighbors.

All us old farts know where this goes should a collapse finally rear its ugly head, and as we see our personal ends approaching we can rejoice in it not being a collapse end, but a normal one! You've got to score that as win.

I say optimism is warranted for these reasons, that after decades of waiting, it looks like we all get to die in bed rather than eaten by the starving hordes. You never needed your RV for bugging out, guns and ammo can be passed on to the children, and surely we can all agree that dying of old age is better than being brained with a club and eaten at the end of the day?

I think we can just agree that we look at the same glass and you see it as half full whereas I see it as half empty.

I don't have a Bugout Machine anymore, but not because I don't think it's a good idea to have one.  It just became too difficult for me to maintain while moving from one place to another in the sick care housing industry.  I can't live a nomadic existence anymore either, so for me it no loger has utility.  I'd still recommend having one to people who are reasonably healthy though.

No, the malls haven't yet turned into Zombie wastelands, just the parking lots.  Yes the lights still work most of the time, at least if you don't live in Puerto Rico or Argentina.  You can still buy a house if you can afford $500K mortgage.  You can't rent a 1 bedroom in Anchorage though if you're a cripple.  You get on a waiting list where your waiting time never goes down.

Anyhow, feel free to rejoice that you still might die peacefully in your bed rather than consumed by cannibals.  I do not rejoice at the ever deteriorating state of the world.  It doesn't look very good to me from my vantage point.  Yours is different.  So it goes.

RE

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Quote from: K-Dog on Dec 31, 2023, 11:45 AMCollapse it seems, waits around the corner.

2024 looks like a Collapsalooza waiting to happen.

RE

Another one bites the dust. Next up....2025! Only 8 months to go!

Hey...did everyone here know that Toyota is the world's laregest auto manufacturer by volume?

Back in 2008, some folks were taking bets on their bankruptcy?! Hey, I wonder if there is a correlation? Folks claiming something in real time, doesn't work out, but doing the rinse/repeat/recycle thing? Sort of like Lucy and Charlie and the football? He was a sucker every single time and just never learned. 

Quote from: TDoS on Dec 20, 2023, 08:22 PMWorld peak oil happened in 2018.
https://energyskeptic.com/2022/failing-oil-and-gas-companies-a-sign-of-peak-oil/

Quick update! Turns out, Alice not only changed the title to her reference to "Well it didn't happen yet" in order to not be embarassed....again....but its Art's graph! We couldn't trust M King to get it right, and now we can't trust Art either! Newest information says global peak in 2025.

Info located here in the EIA International Stats page...see world for total. Something like 83 mmbbl/d.

Crude oil and lease condensate is the item you can look for annual totals of.

https://www.eia.gov/international/data/world/petroleum-and-other-liquids/annual-petroleum-and-other-liquids-production?pd=5&p=0000000000000000000000000000000000vg&u=0&f=A&v=mapbubble&a=-&i=none&vo=value&t=C&g=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001&l=249-ruvvvvvfvtvnvv1vrvvvvfvvvvvvfvvvou20evvvvvvvvvvnvvvs0008&s=94694400000&e=1735689600000