The longer BAU continues the worse the climate change problem will become. We are pretty much at +1.5C already so believing we will prevent that is pie in the sky thinking. I would also say +2C is unavoidable now. Anything over that there is scope to avoid. Big factor would be how the decline or collapse works out. Quicker it is the better it is for the climate.

In any event the real question is the magnitude of the problem rather than whether it occurs or not. I feel these days the climate scientists are afraid to disclose the true reality of the situation as they fear people will become more defensive and less receptive to their advice (which is understandable given the political/economic environment today).

Quote from: monsta666 on Jul 31, 2025, 02:28 PMThe longer BAU continues the worse the climate change problem will become. We are pretty much at +1.5C already so believing we will prevent that is pie in the sky thinking.

And has been such since folks first posted that number. The amusing part is that folks thought that by someone credible (scientists allegedly meeting that criteria) pronouncing a goal, offering a target to avoid, and then telling people what it would mean, that people would react appropriately.

Oops.

Maybe they should have included A) some psychologists to teach them something about people or B) a historian.