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Started by RE, Jan 19, 2024, 06:15 AM

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K-Dog


Truckers for Freedom.  Really?  A trucker is EMPLOYED.  A trucker is not free.  RE will correct me if I'm wrong but even independent truckers have to be dispatched by someone who finds a load for them to haul.  Truckers as a class are all bitches of 'THE MAN' it seems to me.  Without capitalism and corporate tyranny all Truckers would be is workers who drive trucks.  Hmmmm  maybe that is all they are?

Somehow 'truckers' and 'veterans' got confabulated.  Hells Angels, Hunter Thompson and Hollywood were the catalyst of this incorrect abstraction if you want to get into the social dynamics of how it came about.  But that is a story for another day.

Regardless, trucker and veteran are confabulated in some kind of thought salad that seems to be rotten.

RE

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QuoteI think you need more than one truck to be a convoy?

Any group of vehicles can make a convoy, but you do need more than 1.  They do have also a tour bus with the same graphics, so technically they are a convoy.  Plus a pickup truck with flags and a souvenir truck!





QuoteTruckers for Freedom.  Really?  A trucker is EMPLOYED.  A trucker is not free.

Trucking is as close to legal slavery as you get, particularly as a company driver.  You're not paid by the hour but by the mile so you gotta keep moving to make money.  Abuses of hours were very common in the old days.  Electronic logging and GPS tracking has made this more difficult, but the drivers are still totally at the mercy of the dispatchers, even independents if you want to get good loads.  They'll give you schedules which in theory are possible on paper, but in the real world can't be done.  The money now is better than it used to be, but the lifestyle generally sucks.

QuoteSomehow 'truckers' and 'veterans' got confabulated.

Ex-cops also identify with this crowd, the local enforcers of Property Ownership in a capitalist country.   What the military does overseas as the enforcement arm of capitalism, cops do on home soil.  In the words of Gen Smedley Butler:

QuoteIt may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

RE

RE

As expected, the pathetic convoy of God's Army arrived in TX not with 100s of 1000s of anti-immigration fanatics, but "hundreds".  Looking at the aerial photo/video from this CBS newz story, if they had 100 total there I'd be surprised.

Do the newz agencies ever admit this was a total joke and they put up a week's worth of lead stories that were totally fabricated newz events?  Of course not.

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/hundreds-of-protestors-gather-near-the-texas-border/

Hundreds of protestors gather near the Texas border to voice their concerns on immigration

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K-Dog

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QuoteDo the newz agencies ever admit this was a total joke and they put up a week's worth of lead stories that were totally fabricated newz events?  Of course not.

No of course not.  To Fox it is mission accomplished and millions of Americans have no idea it was an put-on sponsored by big money and intended to only to manipulate them to be powerless and afraid so passivity remains the national posture.  Staged to make everyone feel like harassing desperate people who are not white and need a job is cool to do.  They were quick to throw their token black man up on the screen so people will ignore that truth.

I posit a rule.  NEVER believe the crowd size when all that is shown is the same group from different angles.

If I was a zillionaire I'd get some food trucks down there to feed people coming across.  Is this crowd of 'patriots' feeding anyone but themselves?  Are they helping migrants?  I do not think they are.  I don't think this crowd has even seen one, but if they have and offered no help, then that is how they will treat you should you ever meet anyone in that crowd.

Good it is small.






RE

The election is coming, so it's time to pretend you're doing something about stopping the invasion of immigrants!  The Panamaniac president has been enlisted to try and shut down the Darien Gap jungle bushwacking hike the migrants from South America have to traverse on their way up to the land of Good & Plenty.  This is the narrow 60 mile isthmus that connects NA & SA, which has never had a road built, specifically because they've never wanted it to be easy to move military equipment between the two continents.

How successful they will be in plugging this hole remains to be seen, but it won't stop the migration.  They'll just start using more boats.  May slow it for a while though, and it's politically expedient to do it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/panamas-next-president-says-hell-try-to-shut-down-one-of-the-worlds-busiest-migration-routes-2/

Panama's next president to shut down Darien jungle migration route

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K-Dog

This says it all.

QuoteWhether Mulino is able to reduce migration through a sparsely populated region with little government presence remains to be seen, experts say.

Far cheaper for Panama to give them a meal and bus them to the north border.  What is this ass-kissing idiot president going to do? Build a road to bus them back south through the Darien Gap? Once people cross the Gap, getting them back across will cost a fortune if you don't build a road.  You would have to fly them out.

The money to implement the presidential plan would come from where?

RE

Quote from: K-Dog on May 13, 2024, 06:27 PMThis says it all.

QuoteWhether Mulino is able to reduce migration through a sparsely populated region with little government presence remains to be seen, experts say.

Far cheaper for Panama to give them a meal and bus them to the north border.  What is this ass-kissing idiot president going to do? Build a road to bus them back south through the Darien Gap? Once people cross the Gap, getting them back across will cost a fortune if you don't build a road.  You would have to fly them out.

The money to implement the presidential plan would come from where?

Very good point

RE

RE

Here comes the Concentration Camps:

The less inflammatory synonym for "camps" is enhanced ICE detention space, but that doesn't have the same ring.

The point of detention, by the way, isn't to hold people, it is to remove them, as Trump noted the other day.


Of course,  these people must be removed.  We need to eliminate the problem.  This is the Final Solution.



Don't worry, this is only for illegal aliens.  We don't know how many there are, who they are or where they are, but you can be certain nobody will be detained by mistake.  Just make sure you are carrying your Identity Papers at all times.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/06/yes-we-need-camps-for-illegal-immigrants/


Knarf


TDoS

Quote from: RE on Jun 27, 2024, 11:24 AMAt last, an article which puts the blame where it belongs!  :)

https://www.brasildefato.com.br/2024/06/27/us-imperialism-is-driving-millions-of-people-to-flee-their-homes-across-the-world

RE
Quite an interesting perspective. US bad...all bad things happening in world...as world controlled by US....therefore....US bad. And it is because US maintains large military..making it bad...and therefore....what happens in Sudan...is US's fault. Not all claim US involved n that one.

But if you start with the premise that US=bad, therefore all bad = US, well, tough logic to beat, regardless of whether or not Suden is proof of anything related to US=bad.

Besides our membership here apparently being comprised of childless geriatrics, do we all also subscribe to US=bad? And as we all are North American based (Canada being a northern colony of the US), does anyone believe we are a large enough sample size to represent said North America?  Or is it just not a surprise that doomers are looking for bad actors, and the US makes a great target for that theme in general?




RE

Quote from: TDoS on Jun 28, 2024, 03:41 PMdo we all also subscribe to US=bad?

Yes.  The Diner is a left wing communist/socialist website.  You missed that spin?  The FSoA is a Right Wing Capitalist Plutocracy.  These are not philosophically compatible.  People who think the FSoA=good are contrarian.  Are you in the FSoA=bad or FSoA=good camp?

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TDoS

Quote from: RE on Jun 28, 2024, 07:42 PM
Quote from: TDoS on Jun 28, 2024, 03:41 PMdo we all also subscribe to US=bad?

Yes.
Well, feel free to claim purpose for the vast majority of the 4 regulars here (75%) I suppose.

Quote from: REThe Diner is a left wing communist/socialist website.  You missed that spin?
Looks like it. Never thought it as left wing communist, socialist leaning...maybe sometimes? Certainly not centrist or right wing.   

Quote from: REThe FSoA is a Right Wing Capitalist Plutocracy.  These are not philosophically compatible.  People who think the FSoA=good are contrarian.  Are you in the FSoA=bad or FSoA=good camp?
RE

I don't even know what the FSoA is. If I was to label the US, it would be more along the lines of an Oligarchy I suppose, more center or left of center wing than right wing if you go by popular vote totals during national elections. It only manages to hang on to the veneer of right wing because we are captured by the combination of minority rule and the oligarchs funding it all to guarentee that the playing table stays tilted the way they prefer.

RE

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Quote from: TDoS on Jun 28, 2024, 09:00 PM
Quote from: RE on Jun 28, 2024, 07:42 PM
Quote from: TDoS on Jun 28, 2024, 03:41 PMdo we all also subscribe to US=bad?

Yes.
Well, feel free to claim purpose for the vast majority of the 4 regulars here (75%) I suppose.

I didn't claim a purpose, merely identified the spin.  I also didn't claim it for the guest readers, registered members or regular posters.  The spin of a political magazine, blog, or forum comes from the owners and editorial staff.  I mean really, who do you think determines the spin of the NYT or WaPo?  How can you be so clueless?  K-dog and I determine the spin of this website.  You missed that we are communist/socialists?  Good grief, K-dog posts Marx on a regular basis.  We're not exactly the same since I'm more of a primitivist, but the philosophies are reasonably compatible.  We only occasionally argue some finer points with each other.  The FSoA is not a fine point. lol.  It's a hit you over the head with a hammer point.

Quote from: RE
QuoteThe Diner is a left wing communist/socialist website.  You missed that spin?
Looks like it. Never thought it as left wing communist, socialist leaning...maybe sometimes? Certainly not centrist or right wing.

Again, I can't see how you could have missed it.  Perhaps because you're so obsessed with Peak Oil you don'r read anything else?

Quote from: RE
QuoteThe FSoA is a Right Wing Capitalist Plutocracy.  These are not philosophically compatible.  People who think the FSoA=good are contrarian.  Are you in the FSoA=bad or FSoA=good camp?
RE

I don't even know what the FSoA is.

OMFG.  I use that acronym in every fucking post in place of the USA, and you can't figure out from context what it means?  Bullshit.  Since I know you're not really that stupid, you're clearly playing another silly game.  But on the slim chance you are that out to lunch, it means Fascist States of Amerika  You didn't answer which side of the fence you sit on, Good or Bad?

 
QuoteIf I was to label the US, it would be more along the lines of an Oligarchy I suppose, more center or left of center wing than right wing if you go by popular vote totals during national elections. It only manages to hang on to the veneer of right wing because we are captured by the combination of minority rule and the oligarchs funding it all to guarentee that the playing table stays tilted the way they prefer.

Oligarchy and Plutocracy are basically synonymous terms.  It's not a "veneer", it's deeply rooted and goes all the way back to the "Founding Fathers", the slave owning aristocrats who didn't like paying taxes to the British crown.  Stayed that way while controlled by the Robber Barrons of the 1800s including most notably John D Rockefeller and JP Morgan.  Continued through the War of Northern Aggression won by the Industrialist northern states over the Agrarian south, financed by the Rothschilds.  The only folks the south had backing them were the Frogs, who are notoriously bad bankers.  not doing too well there today either.  Continued through the sellout to the Banksters on Jekyll Island and creation of the Federal Reserve.   Brief flirtation with socialism during the New Deal, ended with the rise of the MIC during and after WWII on through the McCarthyism of the 1950s.  Another short lived attempt at some socialization with the Great Society of LBJ, back to normal with Rayguns.

Out of 250 years in existence, leftist politics got generously 30 years making some headway, all quickly rolled back and stomped out afterwards.  The FSoA is as Right Wing as it gets on the Natioo State level.  "Left" in the FSoA only means left of far right.

Now, history lesson over, you go back in the cooler for either playing silly games or being so incredibly clueless about the political spin of the Diner it boggles the mind.

RE

TDoS

Quote from: RE
Quote from: Pseudo TDoS
Quote from: REThe Diner is a left wing communist/socialist website.  You missed that spin?
Looks like it. Never thought it as left wing communist, socialist leaning...maybe sometimes? Certainly not centrist or right wing.

Again, I can't see how you could have missed it.  Perhaps because you're so obsessed with Peak Oil you don'r read anything else?
Well, just chalk it up to me not going to the cool smart kids high school I guess, where perhaps politics are part of the curriculum. My political spidey sense isn't apparently what you think is normal for the 3 or 4 denizens allowed to roam freely here.

As far as the topic of the communists/socialists here, considering the small population to which you referred, it is difficult for me to confuse someone who talks about ideals that Marx and Lenin might have espoused with folks happily enjoying the fruits of their labors with multiple nice Germany luxury cars for all family members and a 7 figure investment in his own domicile. That is like $500k per person to lounge around! Would he really chuck all of that for Soviet style concrete towers where all the animals are equal regardless of results they deliver? Some animals are more equal than others of course...K-Dog appears to have earned his status through delivering said results, why would he want to walk the Communist walk at this stage of his life? I'm guessing there is intellectual discussion...and then RUN LIKE HELL from the results a Communist lifestyle. 

Now you being a communist/marxist is fine, lacking the ability to generate the kind of economic results that K-Dog did makes you ripe for a "leveling of the playing field" philosophy as it were. I mean, "If the cool smart kid high school isn't enough to get me ahead all by itself and into the favor of the Illuminati, then the system must be rigged!" being the operative idea.

I will just stick with whatever words people want to use for the system the US is nowadays, where results can still be rewards even if K-Dog and I weren't tagged by the Illuminati for greatness as a young age, and those who can't deliver said results are rewarded with....whatever.