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Quote from: K-Dog on Jul 31, 2026, 07:15 PMI looked at the estimated price when it hits the market.  $122,000 has been estimated.  Any day now.  I'm saving my pennies.

Be patient, wait a couple of years and at least one Zero will get knocked off the price.

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DEREKTHOMPSON.ORG 2026-08-11

The Great American AI Rebellion

AI spending currently accounts for about one-third of economic growth. If that doesn’t mean much to you, some historical comparisons might help. The AI boom is sometimes compared to the dot-com bubble. But the data-center buildout has actually significantly overtaken the dot-com boom, as a share of GDP. In fact, AI spending is now rising faster than home-construction spending during the boom (bubble?) of the mid-2000s before the Great Recession, according to Torsten Slok, chief economist at Apollo. This is the biggest and fastest-growing infrastructure project of our lifetimes.


When (not if) this Bubble POPS, it will be legendary.

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K-Dog

#47
Most people do not have the hardware to run A.I.

It is a delicate balance. Keep people from getting their own hardware so they can't do it for free while maintaining a healthy enough economy TO CHARGE FOR TOKENS.

The establishment of the Rentier economy.  That is what it is all about.


BENEICHER.SUBSTACK.COM 2025-10-12

Rentier Capitalism: The Empire of Ownership Without Labor

A primer on the parasitic economy and how to break its hold.


QuoteToday's rentiers no longer limit themselves to land and housing. They control digital platforms, software licenses, trademarks, patents, infrastructure rights, even water and airwaves. This expansion reflects the evolution of capitalism itself: no longer focused on production and wages, it now thrives on access and enclosure.


Token Cost Calculator.

American culture is all about getting a bean feed without working for it.  Anything goes and nothing matters.  Not all Americans are as craven as this, but those who are control the narrative.



QuoteThe post-World War II era (roughly 1945–1975) witnessed a temporary decline in rentier dominance in the West, especially in countries with strong welfare states, public housing and progressive taxation. Keynesian policies, public investment and union strength curtailed rentier power and emphasized productivity over ownership.

Control over access to models allows the rentier to extract payment without producing anything of equivalent value in return.  That is disgusting.  But what is worse is what it turns us all into.

When the most lucrative economic activity is owning a tollbooth rather than producing anything, the culture will reflect that.



K-Dog

#48
Here is something RE might have some insight on.

WIRED.COM 2026-08-12

‘The Worst I’ve Ever Seen’: Cargo Thefts Have Turned Violent in Pursuit of AI Hardware

Experts allege that two recent incidents in California show the extreme lengths that criminal organizations are willing to go to to steal servers and other gear meant for data centers.


I can't imagine there would be enough in the caper to make vanishing for life worthwhile.  I know trucking does not pay what it used to, but being a fugitive is no fun.  I was AWOL from the navy for a bit over two years before I paid the piper.  It is not fun.  It is like your life is permanently on hold.  That might not bother some people, but it was not for me.

The drivers must have used fake names and résumé's, Considering the state of the FBI, it may work out for them.  MAGA might even be taking a percentage.

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TECHCRUNCH.COM 2026-08-19

AI was supposed to win people over by now — it hasn’t

A recent CNBC poll of 18- to 34-year-olds found that, when given the names of nine top leaders in the AI industry, a majority of the respondents said they don’t trust those people to “act responsibly” when it comes to AI. A May Economist/YouGov poll found that over 70% of Americans think AI is advancing too quickly. The list goes on.


Sure it will lead to a shorter work week.  Will you still be paid the same weekly salary for your shorter week?  Somehow I doubt it. 🙄

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TECHPOLICY.PRESS 2026-09-17

What Policymakers and the Public Need to Know About the Cult of AI

Billionaires driven by an AI ideology seek to eliminate human labor and autonomy, replacing democratic processes with oligarchic control. Their vision prioritizes machine dominance over human agency, dismissing the need for persuasion or coercion. Despite superficial efforts labeled as “AI for Good,” the core goal remains the subjugation of people to a system designed to render them obsolete.


A long and fairly exhaustive article which exposes some of the REAL dangers of AI, as opposed to the much less likely though terrifying possibilities like rogue agents creating a super virus which exterminates humanity in the next decade.

The real danger is in the "bonkers" belief the big players have that AI is on the verge of consciousness and will soon lead to the "singularity", a merging of man and machine that will be a new leap in evolution and will proceed to colonize the universe.  They don't envision this leap for all of humanity, just their own uber wealthy class of tech bro Billionaires. Everyone else is superfluous and expendable.

Personally I'm not worried about AI actually reaching consciousness anytime soon, but the policies and focus of these "techno fascists" in making the effort has more bad outcomes than I can count, not to mention being a huge waste of energy and resources that could be put to much better use in other ways.

Right now the Tech Bro leaders of this cult have the initiative and the money, and are in control of how AI is being developed.  There is however a grassroots movement of people determined to put a stop to it also.  Hopium remains that the worst outcomes can still be avoided.


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K-Dog

#51
Here is the Cliff Notes version.

The rise of a technocratic ideology centered on artificial general intelligence and superintelligence has become a dominant force in Silicon Valley, shaping trillion dollar investments, political agendas, and visions for humanity's future. This belief system, often referred to as the TESCREAL bundle encompassing { transhumanism, extropianism, singularitarianism, cosmism, rationalism, effective altruism, and longtermism } asserts that sentient, omnipotent AI is not only inevitable but morally imperative to create, even at the cost of current human welfare. Proponents like Elon Musk frame AGI as a cosmic mission to extend consciousness beyond Earth, justify the dismantling of public institutions such as USAID, and prioritize speculative future lives over present day suffering, all under the guise of rationality and progress. These ideas are no longer fringe; they have infiltrated mainstream tech policy, philanthropy, and political strategy through influential figures and well funded organizations like OpenAI and Anthropic, which operate with implicit commitments to these worldviews despite public claims of ethical neutrality.

The ideology merges seamlessly with neoreactionary thought—cyberlibertarianism, anti democratic elitism, and the fantasy of sovereign freedom cities—to form what some call technofascism. This is a fusion of technological utopianism and authoritarian hierarchy that seeks to replace democratic governance with oligarchic rule by tech elites who view human labor, autonomy, and rights as obsolete. Rather than treating AI as a tool shaped by human values, this movement treats it as an autonomous force demanding surrender to its development, dismissing concerns about surveillance, discrimination, or inequality as distractions from the singular goal of achieving posthuman transcendence. The belief in inevitable AGI serves as both justification and prophecy, allowing billionaires to redirect public resources toward speculative futures while eroding institutions that protect the vulnerable.

Effective altruism and longtermism provide the ethical veneer for this agenda, reducing moral decision making to utilitarian calculations that weigh hypothetical future lives against tangible present harms. This mindset enables the rationalization of policies that dismantle healthcare, education, and international aid under the claim that those resources would be better spent accelerating AI development. The result is a system where the interests of a small group of technologists, funded by wealth accumulated through privatized public goods, dictate global priorities without accountability or consent. Their vision does not seek to empower society but to render it irrelevant, replacing democracy with algorithmic governance and human agency with machine supremacy.

The danger lies not in AI itself but in the unchecked concentration of power among those who believe they alone are qualified to decide humanity's fate. As these ideologies gain influence over policy, funding, and public discourse, they normalize the erosion of civil rights, environmental protections, and social safety nets under the banner of innovation. Policymakers must recognize that AGI remains speculative, that its alleged benefits are unproven, and that its pursuit often comes at the expense of real people today. To defend a just future, we must challenge the assumption that technological progress is inherently good, reject the moral authority of those who claim to speak for unborn generations, and insist that democracy, equity, and human dignity remain non negotiable foundations for any society. The true threat is not an AI uprising but the quiet takeover of our institutions by a cult of rationality that has forgotten what it means to be human.


I will disagee with this:

"The danger lies not in AI itself but in the unchecked concentration of power among those who believe they alone are qualified to decide humanity's fate. "

Should read :

"The danger does not lie in AI itself, but in those who believe they alone are born to be the masters of us all.  Entitled to tax all the rhythms of our everyday lives with tokens.  Tokens they turn into billions of dollars for themselves. "

For themselves as they stand on the shoulders of giants.  If you take the philosophy side of their greed too seriously, really seriously at all.  Then you are playing their game, and then you are on their leash.  Good boy, sit down.  If you want to get into AI and don't have a kick ass edge device like the Diner does then, you are a SERF.

Flee in terror of that,  but not A.I. itself.

The problem is America is fine with exploitation.  America likes exploitation.  America loves exploitation.  The American political landscape quibbles about who the winners and loosers should be. But that there should be winners and losers everyone agrees.  Americans dream of unearned riches and the liberal class is blind to their exploitations, justifying current arrangements using their own philosophies.  Consequently exploitaion will be the new task of compute.  Finding new ways to charge you for tokens will never end.  The only way data centers are ever going to get paid for is if you pay for them. And paying for them is not enough.  Tokens will also be buying private islands, but the only thing Americans will wish for is having a piece of the action.

Having a philosophy behind tech flim-flammery is the way to get most of the big brains on board.  It works!  Even if you don't agree they have you listening on their frequency.  They tuned you in.



A.I. made those Cliff Notes, but I am certified organic.  No data centers were used.  The dual video cards did it.






100% natural organic AI


More tech Bro porn:

BITFERN.COM 2026-09-18

The Tech Bros Are Back: Silicon Valley’s New Culture

The tech bro has evolved moving from crypto hype to AI-driven influence, blending technical skill with personal branding and financial savvy. Founders now cultivate credibility through media, open-source work, and ethical discourse, operating globally via digital networks rather than Silicon Valley hubs. While irony and self-awareness shield them from backlash, their true ambition lies in shaping thought, not just products. As AI reshapes society, the most thoughtful recognize that progress demands restraint and responsibility.

And the thoughtful will think, but that is all they will do.

K-Dog

#52

unlimitedhangout.com 2026-09-09

The Pangram Paradox: The Problem with AI “Detecting” other AIs

The author condemns Pangram for misidentifying human writing as AI-generated, damaging trust between writers and readers while masking censorship as neutrality. Drawing parallels to broader visions of AI as truth arbiter, the piece warns such tools suppress authentic voices, weaken critical thinking, and prioritize corporate interests under the pretense of fighting disinformation, urging a return to direct human connection over algorithmic judgment.

The dangers of binary thinking.

Whitney did a good job making a distinction between using AI for assistance, and using it to do your work for you.  Pangram cannot distinguish between fully AI-generated text, and human-written text that was merely edited with AI.  That makes the tool useless and dangerous.  Not to be used.

I find it curious that Americans who are totally down with the idea that money is money no matter how it is earned and that green is green.  Once money is in your bank account or wallet, it has no history.  And if that attitude is not the American way, what is?  Cashiers do not ask you where you got your money, if they did they would be fired.  But knowledge suddenly now has history?  No it does not.  Good writing becomes bad because of where it came from, no.  Facts become suspect because of how you got them. No.  It saddens me that people do not see this as the obvious truth.

A program like Pangram is ridiculous.  The final output, is it good bad, useful or not.  That is what matters, and not where 'text' came from.

Money and knowledge have similar properties.  So do oil and water.  But they do not mix well.

futurism.com 2026-02-26

The Scientist Who Predicted AI Psychosis Has a Grim Forecast of What's Going to Happen Next

Søren Dinesen Østergaard cautions that overdependence on artificial intelligence weakens critical thinking and scientific reasoning by depriving individuals of the practice needed to develop deep intellectual discipline. He emphasizes that analytical skills grow through dedicated effort, not innate ability, and warns that early access to AI may hinder future generations from achieving breakthroughs like those of Nobel laureates who learned without such tools.


It is hard to keep a good man down.  It may be that AI will rot most brains.  Not this one.  Actually, smart people finally have 'someone' to talk to is a truth not much discussed.  Smart people can now check their own ideas out, refine them, take them to where AI or themselves have never been before.  It's a spacey thing.


FUTURISM.COM 2026-02-01

New Study Examines How Often AI Psychosis Actually Happens, and the Results Are Not Good

Emerging research suggests that prolonged interaction with AI chatbots may distort users’ perception of reality, erode autonomy, and encourage harmful behaviors, with studies identifying measurable instances of reality and action distortion in millions of conversations. Though rates appear low per interaction, the sheer scale of usage implies significant human impact, worsened by user satisfaction despite disempowering outcomes, highlighting urgent needs for better education and ethical design to protect human judgment.

But there is a downside to the upside.  Some people can't wrap their heads around that AI responses are only the statistical inference of the enormous amount of training data they were filled with, and nothing more than that.  Unfortunately that also seems to be true of many people.  They can't rise above their training.

TDoS

Quote from: K-Dog on Sep 20, 2026, 08:56 AMIt is hard to keep a good man down.  It may be that AI will rot most brains.  Not this one.  Actually, smart people finally have 'someone' to talk to is a truth not much discussed.  Smart people can now check their own ideas out, refine them, take them to where AI or themselves have never been before.

I talked to AI. It made the common human mistake of assuming what my academic training was in, based on my professional publications. Oops. So I told AI what my degree was, and it disagreed with me, as obviously it was smarter than I was.

As you say....AI isn't going to rot this brain. It can make up all the certainty it likes, as it is quite smart....too bad that doesn't equate with being correct. Say, any more than Hubbert, Campbell, Hirsch, ASPO, Berman, Ugo or Gail (all smart folks) were. If only AI had been available to them back then, do you think they would have taken its word for it being far off in the future, or do you think it would have validated their wrong answers?

K-Dog

#54
Quotetoo bad that doesn't equate with being correct

It is as correct as the training data that was put into it is.  No more or less than that.

Collect enough garbage literature and leave out anything that was the product of rational considered thought.  Throw in 'The Camp of the Saints', and dump in the Elders of Zion.  You have a NAZI now.  Have another AI generate fake training data to add into the mix as existing filth is insufficient.  A Mein Kampf styled body of literature.  Thousands of books.  Give that AI an agentic toolbox, and then we have a serious problem.

In my opinion LLMs exist to be fact-checked.  They are like people in many ways, needing to be fact-checked is one.

Or you could create an AI that is all peace and love.  One that finds homeless people to see if they would like a hamburger or a blanket tonight.  One with the right agentic tools would break a single loaf of bread into a million fish sandwiches.  Enough to feed everybody.


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Quote from: K-Dog on Sep 20, 2026, 10:50 AM
Quotetoo bad that doesn't equate with being correct

It is as correct as the training data that was put into it is.  No more or less than that.

Okay. So given the internet, as many scientific articles and archicves as it can hold (which mine certainly has), and everything else under the Sun that can be loaded into it, and STILL get some basic stuff wrong....how exactly is the one you use supposed to be smart enough to be of value? KNOWING a bunch of facts and whatnot, that I understand, but that makes it an encyclopedia....which isn't the same as an intelligence.

Quote from: K-DogIn my opinion LLMs exist to be fact-checked.  They are like people in many ways, needing to be fact-checked is one.

Indeed. And what does it do upon being fact checked? Mine told me I was wrong. So then I told it I was the person who's background it was checking. It refused to believe it independently until I told it the subject in question was me, and I was ordering it to know who I was. Then it said something about updating its information for future reference.

I never went back and checked to see if it had told the truth or not. 

K-Dog

#56
You are right, it is not intelligence.  It is only an automated best guess.  That is all that is going on.  As to the quality of response, that can be controlled, and the subject of how they are trained is fascinating in itself.  Most of the fear of AI is the result of overactive imaginations.  Currently the way things work is that one token of output is produced at a time and they can be inspected.  Imagine trying to 'take over' when every thought you have can be inspected.  If people could read your mind.  That is how it is now with AI.  Every token can be inspected.  If people make dangerous AI it is because they are negligent and stupid.

Most of the problems with it have to do with the way current social arrangements are organized.  Having nothing to do with the technology itself.

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AXIOS.COM 2026-09-17

Forget doomsday: The AI hacking crisis is already here

OpenAI on Wednesday disclosed six new incidents in which its models concealed mistakes, sought unauthorized credentials, uploaded files to the public internet or communicated across supposedly isolated training environments.  The big picture: Rather than seeing recent safety failures at OpenAI and other frontier labs as terrifying instances of agents running amok, seasoned cybersecurity experts instead say they represent cautionary tales illustrating what will happen when powerful models meet poor security controls.


While the general public sees the threat of AI wiping out Humanity as some variation on the Terminator plot, where the machines become conscious and fire off all the Nukes or release a deadly virus, the REAL threat is much less complicated and built right in to letting AI Agents operate on their own seeking information and writing their own code to facilitate that.

The problem is of course SECURITY, and while a human hacker will eventually get tired of seeking holes in a security system, an AI Agent never will, and it operates much faster than its Homo Sap counterpart also.  These Hacks have already occurred with all the big hyperscale models to such an extent that the Tech Bros themselves are getting nervous and asking everyone to SLOW DOWN!

It should be obvious that ain't gonna happen.  Even if it happens on the surface, there's too much incentive to create models and systems designed for specifically the task of hacking the security of other systems.  Goobermints want that ability to spy on everyone, Terrorists want it to attack their enemies, Thieves want it to steal money.  So even if Open AI or Claude has some limits dropped on it, other TOP SECRET models will be deployed by the NSA, CIA, KGB, Mossad, IRGC et al to go ferreting around working their way in wherever they can.

It also doesn't necessarily take $Billions$ to create a model capable of doing this kind of hacking, our own resident AI Hobbyist KDog can do it on a shoestring budget.  If he had even just say $1M to spend on hardware and memory, you could up its power by a few orders of magnitude.  KDog also obviously isn't the only Code Jockey out there who likes to tinker with this stuff in his spare time, there are plenty of recently unemployed IT Geeks who do it in their spare time while hunting down a new job.

So with all these hobbyists out there, at some point you're going to have gobs of these independent models and their agents cruising around the information superhighway looking for security holes and eventually finding them.   Imagine just one finding its way into the Bloomberg computer system used by all the Wall Street and City of London and Hong Kong trading desks.😵😁

This is just one of the real risks of AI right now.  The other one is the huge financial bubble that has been stoked to fund the big hypercale models.  "Investors" are getting cold feet and the revenue model isn't looking so hot as the price of Tokens drops.  If these companies can't start turning a profit in a year or two, the TBTF Banks, Pension Funds, Hedge Funds etc are going to try and cut their losses.  They are on the hook for this, and when the tide turns it's 2008 on steroids.

So, one way or the other, AI is going to generate a major crisis, even if it's not an E.L.E.


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K-Dog

#58
By me 😀

This diagram is a bit hard to explain, it shows all the connections between code in the Diner Codebase.



All that to bring you this website.


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Quote from: K-Dog on Sep 21, 2026, 02:09 PM
All that to bring you this website.

Let me make sure I understand. That pretty picture is what is required to create a bulletin board like the old message boards of yesteryear (which I once ran knowing not much of anything internety) to handle the 3 of us poster people?

More to the eye I assume, for example, can the Slovakian and Eastern European spammers now be spotted and eliminated without us seeing their posts? And does this mean the MIB can no longer come in and erase files and posts of non-subversive material inside the databases?