[K-Dog]

Sweet someone with a private website like ours who lets his stuff get embedded.


100% About what Luke Smith says about AI.  The massive quantities of power is another question.  What it is and what it is good for it the question for today.

And my fooling around with it consumes as much power as a 100 watt old school light bulb while the program runs.

My python AI project  <--- I format a continuous un-formatted string of text into a properly formatted string of text with punctuated and identified sentences.  Fragments remaining un-formatted.  It is a work in progress and quite a nut to crack.  To the technically curious - It is complicated task to make a large text file flow through a small context window.

I have made enough progress to know I am going to wind up with something useful.  And repeating Luke's point of view. 100% AI is a tool and useless without humans in the loop.

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AXIOS.COM 2026-06-23

Revenge of the AI bubble

The case against AI used to come from outsiders.  Luddites, "doomers," short sellers betting on a crash. Its newest skeptics are emerging from inside the boom.

AI stocks currently taking a beating, inspired in all likelihood by the post-IPO cold feet of the early investors in SpaceX.  Perhaps this will act as a catalyst to pop the AI Bubble, which besides its dubious issues with Surveillance and Spying and Dumbing down of Homo Saps who use it to substitute for rather than augment Human Intelligence, also probably doesn't pay for itself when you factor in the GOBS of Energy & Water it consumes and damage to the environment.  Add to that the fact that 99.9% of the benefits of AI go to the 0.1% of the population that owns the companies doing the buildout.

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CBSNEWS.COM 2026-06-23

AI on pace to bypass cybersecurity systems in months, not years, "Five Eyes" spy partners warn

The most advanced artificial intelligence models are improving quickly enough to outsmart prevailing cybersecurity know-how within months, the Five Eyes spy agency alliance has warned.  The risk posed by AI-enhanced hacking is in the spotlight in the wake of startup Anthropic saying in April that its cutting-edge Mythos models had unprecedented abilities to find software vulnerabilities.

I trust you see the recursive problem this creates.  Because AI can be used to crack the security protocols for any computer system, any security system must continuously use AI to defend against AI based attacks.  This leads to a running battle between the Hackers and the Network Admins to run more complex and sophisticated methods to crack or protect a system.  Each round of this battle leads to ever greater consumption of energy, water and time by the supercomputers waging this battle.  Since it is a war that neither side can ever really "win", there is really no upper limit to how much it will cost to keep a system secure.  It also probably makes your home computer or laptop nearly impossible to secure.

This of course is wonderful newz for anyone renting out time on their supercomputer (probably to both combatants), but for everyone else including the end consumer whose financial and medical records have to be kept secure, it's going to make it quite expensive.

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The most advanced artificial intelligence models are improving quickly enough to outsmart prevailing cybersecurity know-how within months, the Five Eyes spy agency alliance has warned.

Bullshit who wrote this has no idea how the models work.  Accelerationist thinking.  All hail the singularity.  Models are trained on human data and can only do what humans can do as a result of their training.  Better and faster maybe, but no different.  Yet claiming that these models will soon out-think humans with superhuman abilities is popular.

The models do not actually think.  They pattern match and reflecting on the patterns (thinking) so far is something only humans can do.  They are like humans who do things by rote without any understanding, brain dead we call it in people.  Functional but not really alive.  That may get a lot of work done, but there will be nothing new under the sun.

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They are like humans who do things by rote without any understanding, brain dead we call it in people.  Functional but not really alive.  That may get a lot of work done, but there will be nothing new under the sun.

True, but security systems don't really require original thinking.  They're all variations on an encryption theme.  Got a faster  more powerful system with better cracking algorithms, you can probably break it by brute force.  Besides that, just about all systems have some flaw in the code that can be exploited, or the original designer snuck in a back door on purpose.  So there's a better than even chance that the proliferation of AI computing will lead to more systems currently considered "secure" being broken.  Based on what I've read so far, particularly at risk are Block Chain Crypto Currency Wallets.  If any of the major cryptocurrency systems are broken, that whole sector could be at risk.  Which isn't necessarily a bad thing,  but a few crypto Billionaires like the Winklevoss Twins could take a beating. 😁

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True enough, my objection is in giving the current version of AI super powers.  What it can do is impressive, and the tendency is to think of it as being more capable than it really is.

Dan Jarvie posted AI slop in the 'first person', so I bounced him along with the last two fake five eye Russian Trolls as being fake.

They may be replacing TDos with AI.

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True enough, my objection is in giving the current version of AI super powers.  What it can do is impressive, and the tendency is to think of it as being more capable than it really is.

Oh absolutely.  J6P out there is being convinced that current AI is on the verge of turning into Lt. Data from Star Trek or Skynet from Terminator.  It's about to turn SENTIENT! It's ALIVE! 😬  No, sorry, nowhere close.

What is true though is that it will replace many jobs thought to take intelligence but are really repetitive wrote work.  Doctors, Lawyers and Engineers for example. Diagnosis already better using AI. Even Surgery not far off with robotic arms.  Writing Briefs, researching case law, AI better.  Design a new Bridge or locate the best places to find mineral deposits?  AI faster & cheaper.
 

Dan Jarvie posted AI slop in the 'first person', so I bounced him along with the last two fake five eye Russian Trolls as being fake.

They may be replacing TDos with AI.

Didn't respond to those DJ posts since registering a new Screen ID to circumvent Cooler Time is a violation of the CoC.  Nonsense posts to boot.

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Dan Jarvie posted AI slop in the 'first person', so I bounced him along with the last two fake five eye Russian Trolls as being fake.

They may be replacing TDos with AI.

Who is Dan Jarvie? And TDoS is still TDos. He wrote a book don't you know, after telling the Austin City Council that the world was ending because of that peak oily stuff. I wonder if that video is still around?

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INDIANEXPRESS.COM 2026-06-29

Why Apple products are getting more expensive—and how you can save money

If you are planning to buy an Apple device, there are several ways to manage your budget wisely and reduce the impact of the higher prices.

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247WALLST.COM 2026-07-27

Data Centers — Not Iran — Are Fueling the U.S.’s Coming Energy Crisis

AI data centers are set to consume 20% of U.S. electricity by 2035, up from 5.9% today, threatening a structural energy crisis beyond oil.  Some households are already seeing electric bills double or triple as utilities raise rates to recover data center-driven infrastructure costs

I think the Energy Crisis has past the "coming" stage and has moved into the "already here" stage.  Forget the CO2 increase, the Waste Heat alone from these DCs will drive temps up by another .5C, not to mention sucking up what little free water is left.  Plus everyone from Europe to S America wants a new AC unit.  Pretty soon everyone will need a Nuke Generator just to power their McMansion.

Power Consumption is on an Exponential Increase which clearly cannot be sustained.  Just a matter of time before this engine seizes up.

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We don't need no stinkin' Data Centers. The Diner rolls its own.

Seriously, the world has too much money to invest because a growth slowdown does that. It is in the math, and it happens when limits are reached. Money collects in piles to grow, but without overall economic growth a money pile can't grow itself.  At least to the stratospheric level of unearned riches.  It piles up but can't grow. It gets hungry.

Hungry money created an imagined need for 'compute,' resulting in the biggest bubble of all time. Bubbles only happen in a bizarre world where a parasitic class reaps profit without contributing, but that is a story for another day. The point is that we are in a financial bubble that will either collapse or put god to shame with the brilliance of man. It is up to you to decide which is more likely.

Were society organized differently using sane ideas, universities could have supplied models to play with. And the evolution of the state of the art would have been developed on existing hardware, with new hardware built only as the organic need called for it, sans speculation and bad investment.

There are plenty of people like me who could make this stuff useful. A pair of RTX 6000 cards at a reasonable price would help. Currently, that pair would cost $24,000—somewhere in that ballpark. What I was able to do with $1,000 gives one-sixth the 'compute' capacity at half the speed, something like that. And the memory in this machine should not be worth over $4,000.

We have the fucking Borg taking over , and I have to pay through the nose to have any fun.

Once again, convenience, inequality, and the accompanying foolishness kicks sagacity to the curb.

And previous generations had ignorance as an excuse.  The highly educated 21st century cretin can't say that.

QUANTABUNDANCIA.COM 2026-06-04

South Sea Bubble (1720): the trade-riches story was a cover for a debt swap

South Sea shares ran from about 128 pounds in January 1720 to roughly 1,000 by August, then crashed to 100-200 by December. The real business was never trade. It was converting the national debt.

Then it was to convert the national debt.  It is to fund a new royalty based on financial conquest now.  In the land of amnesia, Americans now prefer being exploited to being free, showing that a lot can change in 250 years.

Regarding the performance of the system, I am happy. I am impressed with the results, and playing with this thing is going to keep me busy for a very long time, even without system upgrades. A single RTX 5090 would do as well as this system, and it would be faster. But an RTX 5090 currently is selling for eight times what a single RTX 5060 Ti card with half the VRAM costs.

Going with two cheaper cards yielding the same VRAM made sense. I can deal with the speed penalty. The 5060 is a slower card, but the complication of two cards is something I would have done anyway. Even with a 5090 I would keep one of the 5060 cards. That would be interesting. Sometimes they would work together, and sometimes they would not. Together, the speed could slow down to 5060 speeds, but in that configuration, the added VRAM would be there for a reason. I could use it for added context (short-term memory) when appropriate.

A fascinating configuration would be two RTX 5090 cards running together, which makes no financial sense, but which would work fine provided they were running a model that could not run without overflow on a single card and which would fill the cards without unused VRAM. The PCI bus would bottleneck power draw in that case, and a circuit breaker would not pop. Since getting both cards working on independent tasks where they both draw full power would require deliberate effort, the system would be stable. A breaker would only pop if both cards ran at 100%, and that would require programming. When cards idle, they don't use a lot of power, and some models use more power than others when they run.

The PCI bottleneck is minimal in this system and is a deliberate choice. This motherboard is intended for AI use. If the A.I. bubble bursts and I can pick up some enterprise-class cards cheap, that would rock.

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Seriously, the world has too much money to invest because a growth slowdown does that. It is in the math, and it happens when limits are reached. Money collects in piles to grow, but without overall economic growth a money pile can't grow itself.  At least to the stratospheric level of unearned riches.  It piles up but can't grow. It gets hungry.

The problem is there's no money left to extract from most of the population.  The only people with surplus to spend are the rich, and there aren't enough of them.  The only biznesses that work are the ones people HAVE to spend on, like Food, Health Care, Housing and Transportation.

AI will never pay off the $TRILLIONS$ being borrowed to invest in the infrastructure.  When  people grasp this fact of life, the bubble will pop.

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When  people grasp this fact of life, the bubble will pop.

Then I can have enough cards in the box to run a 80 GB model without quantization. 

* The Russian Language thread starting is gone, I think it is implemented well.  Any other language too.  I added logic that makes it impossible for any new member who has never posted in a topic to start a new topic.  The 'bots' immediately adapted and made a post in an existing topic, I forgot where it was.  I deleted it and then tested the new deletion function which deletes members who have not made a post in the registration grace period which is now set to four hours.  A new member has to make a post or the member gets deleted after four hours.  If for any reason you or I (or any moderator) does not like the post we delete it.  Without posts the new member will be deleted within and hour.  The deletion function runs automatically once an hour to check the grace period.

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CNBC.COM 2026-08-01

Dwindling cash and soaring memory costs: Tech’s AI buildout has ballooning price tag

Almost four years into the artificial intelligence boom, the world’s biggest tech companies are still making grand promises about the future. The problem is, they’re burning through their cash in the process.

Look at the positive side.  When these Data Centers find they can't get enough power to run all those chips, a lot of those machines will get scrapped and sold for parts.  You'll be able to pick up barely used chips for pennies on the dollar.  Nothing wrong with a used chip, they're good as new.

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If you don't want to watch the whole thing just check out the windows of chats running at the same time.  A model larger than a consumer can run is on the box.  Dozens of chatbots are running, each doing something, 'thinking'.  There is a monster chip used in data centers inside the box, and this mofo trots along at two kilowatts.

I looked at the estimated price when it hits the market.  $122,000 has been estimated.  Any day now.  I'm saving my pennies.